Street Sense Not For Me....

Scurlogue Champ · #1 04-30-2007, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

It seems a bit strange to me for you to toss Street Sense if you like CQ. If you think the race is going to have a pace scenario that sets up nicely for CQ, wouldn't that also be a favorable pace scenario for Street Sense?
If you are going deep and betting TRIs and Supers, leaving SS off seems like a poor move to me.
It is at least possible that he is quite simply the best horse in this crop on dirt.

I don't think Street Sense is the same type of horse as Circular Quay. I don't think he gets the rail and I don't think he finishes if he is put in a position to win on Saturday.

The pace setup will be good, and Circular Quay will eat it up in my opinion. We will see how wrong I am on Saturday though. I might be on here eating crow for hours and laughing at how stupid I was. But I'm not wavering until then. I think Street Sense is a toss.

estreetposse · #2 04-30-2007, 06:33 PM

"But SS wasn't fully cranked in the Bluegrass..." I read this elsewhere, I think its crap, if he wasn't cranked then Borel must have been as he cracked him a dozen times down the stretch...if he was or is the best, he should have overcome any adversity and won. Leave him off all, probably not...but looking elsewhere on top.

estreetposse · #3 04-30-2007, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I guess I see what you are saying and I don't buy the whole not fully cranked thing either, but in all fairness he lost by a nose. Wasn't like he was disgraced. To me Nafzger is the key here as I have a ton of respect for him as a horseman. He knows what he is doing and is supposedly doing great and training great.

I don't disgrace him or Nafzger, I guess I'm just trying to open up some eyes or widen the tunnel around here.

JDank34 · #4 04-30-2007, 07:11 PM

does anyone here remember the lanes end breeders futurity? 3 weeks prior to the BC juvy...SS made the lead and then was caught, only to absolutly demolish the rest of his generation in the BC. anyone who thinks a horse is "cranked" every race is insane and has never been around a racehorse. by the way did Unbridled win the Bluegrass? huummmmmm

#5 04-30-2007, 07:13 PM

Throwout the Polycrack races and you've got a mean sob.

estreetposse · #6 04-30-2007, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by JDank34

does anyone here remember the lanes end breeders futurity? 3 weeks prior to the BC juvy...SS made the lead and then was caught, only to absolutly demolish the rest of his generation in the BC. anyone who thinks a horse is "cranked" every race is insane and has never been around a racehorse. by the way did Unbridled win the Bluegrass? huummmmmm

Hey JD*nk, did I say every race he was cranked, NO, did I see him get whipped a dozen times down the stretch in the Bluegrass, YES. Is Nafzger Doctor F*@kin' Dolittle and tell his horse but not the jock to run 80-90% while gettin' yer ass whipped...please answer me that without being a jackass about it as I am legitimately curious about it. Prolly not gonna buy the poly was the reason as he was in the best parts of the track for that race.

ateamstupid · #7 04-30-2007, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by estreetposse

Hey JD*nk, did I say every race he was cranked, NO, did I see him get whipped a dozen times down the stretch in the Bluegrass, YES. Is Nafzger Doctor F*@kin' Dolittle and tell his horse but not the jock to run 80-90% while gettin' yer ass whipped...please answer me that without being a jackass about it as I am legitimately curious about it. Prolly not gonna buy the poly was the reason as he was in the best parts of the track for that race.

Dude, it's about fitness, not the whip. When people say that he wasn't cranked, they don't mean that the horse wasn't trying as hard as he could, they mean that he wasn't as fit as he will be for the Derby. You seem to think that it's impossible to have a horse more fit for one race than for another.

estreetposse · #8 04-30-2007, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Dude, it's about fitness, not the whip. When people say that he wasn't cranked, they don't mean that the horse wasn't trying as hard as he could, they mean that he wasn't as fit as he will be for the Derby. You seem to think that it's impossible to have a horse more fit for one race than for another.

SuperflyMurdockDude..I realize you can be fitter or more fit for one race than another...conditioning or fitness as you have pointed out so nicely for me is in fact what it is. I 'm sorry for my lack of knowledge in this area and I will now retreat back into my shell. Before I leave, I will say that if he was or wasn't cranked,, he should have beaten the field handily, poly or not, if he is in fact the best of this year's crop. Thank's for coming. Good Night, God Bless.

Danzig · #9 04-30-2007, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by estreetposse

SuperflyMurdockDude..I realize you can be fitter or more fit for one race than another...conditioning or fitness as you have pointed out so nicely for me is in fact what it is. I 'm sorry for my lack of knowledge in this area and I will now retreat back into my shell. Before I leave, I will say that if he was or wasn't cranked,, he should have beaten the field handily, poly or not, if he is in fact the best of this year's crop. Thank's for coming. Good Night, God Bless.

he shouldn't necessarily have won handily--again, for reference--birdstones run before the derby--was it turfway? at any rate, on a sealed track, zito was LIVID, all the talking heads on tv said that birdstone was much the best of the field, should win easy, regardless of track, blah blah blah.
oops.

Hickory Hill Hoff · #10 04-30-2007, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by estreetposse

SuperflyMurdockDude..I realize you can be fitter or more fit for one race than another...conditioning or fitness as you have pointed out so nicely for me is in fact what it is. I 'm sorry for my lack of knowledge in this area and I will now retreat back into my shell. Before I leave, I will say that if he was or wasn't cranked,, he should have beaten the field handily, poly or not, if he is in fact the best of this year's crop. Thank's for coming. Good Night, God Bless.

"Birdman" would have picked him 1st...because he will be the favorite, but he's a Pletcher fan!

they would get a kick out of him on this or any site!

JDank34 · #11 04-30-2007, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by estreetposse

SuperflyMurdockDude..I realize you can be fitter or more fit for one race than another...conditioning or fitness as you have pointed out so nicely for me is in fact what it is. I 'm sorry for my lack of knowledge in this area and I will now retreat back into my shell. Before I leave, I will say that if he was or wasn't cranked,, he should have beaten the field handily, poly or not, if he is in fact the best of this year's crop. Thank's for coming. Good Night, God Bless.

seriously Mr. Born In The USA...you are awful arrogant about who should have done what at this point. good luck to you....

estreetposse · #12 04-30-2007, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Before you leave and everyone gets upset, why should he have won handily? Because he is the best? Doesn't always work out that way.

Ok, maybe he should have just won...
Winners don't settle for 2nd, 3rd or 4th.
The best should win when given the chance. Did he have the chance?
Yes, did he win?
No, he lost by a poohair as did a few others.

Question...were all the other horses not fit as well or were they at their peak performance that they will duplicate in the derby while SS blows them away
as he was just riding the exercise bike in the Bluegrass.

JDank34 · #13 04-30-2007, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by estreetposse

Hey JD*nk, did I say every race he was cranked, NO, did I see him get whipped a dozen times down the stretch in the Bluegrass, YES. Is Nafzger Doctor F*@kin' Dolittle and tell his horse but not the jock to run 80-90% while gettin' yer ass whipped...please answer me that without being a jackass about it as I am legitimately curious about it. Prolly not gonna buy the poly was the reason as he was in the best parts of the track for that race.

Springsteen, take "One Step Back" haha just trying to inject some Boss humour....and look at the big picture, the horse got beat and if you want to criticize Borel then it is your right. I know these people and the horse is RIGHT where they want him I can assure you that.

randallscott35 · #14 04-30-2007, 07:49 PM

Triple Crown for Street Sense for sure.

AeWingnut · #15 04-30-2007, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

Triple Crown for Street Sense for sure.

Didn't Secretariat get beat before his Ky Derby?

I can't see Street Sense running a bad race.

waiting for the draw before I committ. For no I say no worse than 2nd.

Does SS remind anyone of Captain Bodgit? He isn't as far out of it as you think but he comes flying like he was far far back