Street Sense Not For Me....

Scurlogue Champ · #1 04-30-2007, 03:18 PM

Is there anyone else who is going to leave him off their tickets on Saturday?

I just don't see him doing much when it is time to do it.

Isn't the gamble whether Nafzger has him primed for this Saturday? I haven't seen anything from him this year that makes him stand out from any others.

A nose victory over an over-rated Pletcher horse who will run 10th in the Derby, and a nose defeat by a rapidly improving animal who was running in his first "big" race.

Is the consensus that he will just improve by 5-10 lengths just because he is back at Churchill where he won the Juvenile?

What has this horse done to separate himself this year? Work out at Churchill last week in .58?

declansharbor · #2 04-30-2007, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by moodwalker

Is there anyone else who is going to leave them off their tickets on Saturday?

I just don't see him doing much when it is time to do it.

Isn't the gamble whether Nafzger has him primed for this Saturday? I haven't seen anything from him this year that makes him stand out from any others.

A nose victory over an over-rated Pletcher horse who will run 10th in the Derby, and a nose defeat by a rapidly improving animal who was running in his first "big" race.

Is the consensus that he will just improve by 5-10 lengths just because he is back at Churchill where he won the Juvenile?

What has this horse done to separate himself this year? Work out at Churchill last week in .58?

I simply do not agree with this..Nafzger will have him primed, that really isnt the question..He's a fresh horse.. The TB derby(which he WON) was his first race back since the BC..He finds ways to be there at the wire and I dont see that trend wavering anytime soon..His figures are amongst the best and he's been working like a beast..

Cajungator26 · #3 04-30-2007, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by moodwalker

Is there anyone else who is going to leave them off their tickets on Saturday?

I just don't see him doing much when it is time to do it.

Isn't the gamble whether Nafzger has him primed for this Saturday? I haven't seen anything from him this year that makes him stand out from any others.

A nose victory over an over-rated Pletcher horse who will run 10th in the Derby, and a nose defeat by a rapidly improving animal who was running in his first "big" race.

Is the consensus that he will just improve by 5-10 lengths just because he is back at Churchill where he won the Juvenile?

What has this horse done to separate himself this year? Work out at Churchill last week in .58?

What has any other contender done? AGS isn't overrated IMO... leave AGS and SS off your tickets at your own risk.

knickslions2 · #4 04-30-2007, 03:31 PM

I love Street Sense... He proved he liked this track and doesn't like Keenland. I expect a big race from this one

Scurlogue Champ · #5 04-30-2007, 03:34 PM

I don't think he disliked Keeneland.

I think he popped a huge effort in the BC and isn't any better than the rest of the crop.

One impressive victory at two, two preps where he didn't stand out, and a few workouts at churchill and he will be the favorite.

Doesn't add up to me.

I'm leaving him off.

And AGS doesn't have a shot in my opinion.

Circular Quay is the one.

Cajungator26 · #6 04-30-2007, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by moodwalker

I don't think he disliked Keeneland.

I think he popped a huge effort in the BC and isn't any better than the rest of the crop.

One impressive victory at two, two preps where he didn't stand out, and a few workouts at churchill and he will be the favorite.

Doesn't add up to me.

I'm leaving him off.

And AGS doesn't have a shot in my opinion.

Circular Quay is the one.

I couldn't disagree more... CQ is a nice enough colt, but I'm not certain he'll get the kind of pace meltdown he's going to need in order to win. BTW, I believe that Curlin will be the favorite.

slotdirt · #7 04-30-2007, 03:38 PM

I don't see how someone can bash Street Sense's 2007 on the one hand then pick a horse who hasn't run since the Fillmore administration to win the race on Saturday.

tycharles01 · #8 04-30-2007, 03:39 PM

I wont not leave Street Sense off my ticket, damn i wont even have him out of the Top 2

Guys do not leave this horse off your tickets. He ran pretty good and the horse loves CD.

As of this moment my choice for the Winner!!!!

Scurlogue Champ · #9 04-30-2007, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I couldn't disagree more... CQ is a nice enough colt, but I'm not certain he'll get the kind of pace meltdown he's going to need in order to win. BTW, I believe that Curlin will be the favorite.

I'm thinking the pace will be ideal, that is why I am sticking with him.

SS will be a tick lower than Curlin when those prices pop up in my opinion.

People will get off of Curlin this week.

Cajungator26 · #10 04-30-2007, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by moodwalker

I'm thinking the pace will be ideal, that is why I am sticking with him.

SS will be a tick lower than Curlin when those prices pop up in my opinion.

People will get off of Curlin this week.

The pace will be ideal with horses like Stormello (who've they've been trying to teach to rate) and Cobalt Blue up front? Hmmm... not fast enough for me. I see a War Emblem kind of derby here. Can't fault you for liking CQ, but I sure as hell wouldn't leave AGS or SS off of my tickets.

Scurlogue Champ · #11 04-30-2007, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

The pace will be ideal with horses like Stormello (who've they've been trying to teach to rate) and Cobalt Blue up front? Hmmm... not fast enough for me. I see a War Emblem kind of derby here. Can't fault you for liking CQ, but I sure as hell wouldn't leave AGS or SS off of my tickets.

I don't think Stormello will be alone up there....

Hard Spun, Cowtown Cat, etc... will keep him company and pump and sweat out tough fractions I think

lemoncrush · #12 04-30-2007, 04:17 PM

I'm a huge CQ fan, but my head keeps telling me to go with Street Sense. Seeing his work from last week was almost jaw dropping. The horse moves so well, and he'll be sure to handle Churchill well, as usual.

His Tampa effort was brilliant off the layoff (track record), and I'm completely willing to throw out the Bluegrass with those fractions (and he still only lost by a nose).

I just can't seem him running a dud, and that's being objective as possible.

AeWingnut · #13 04-30-2007, 04:27 PM

I think Street Sense is an include. I'm a little biased. I bet him in the Juvenile and he doesn't owe me any money. You gotta dance with the one that brung ya mentality.

Really Street Sense is coming into the Derby like he came into the Juvenile. The only difference is Circular Quay and Great Hunter won't complete the trifecta

still waiting for the draw to study the race

but Street Sense is going to absolutely be on my ticket

byalip · #14 04-30-2007, 04:29 PM

The fact that Street Sense showed he can throw it down--remember the battle down the lane with AGS--and is one of the few horses with triple digit Beyer's, is training well and looks like a monster according to eyewitnesses... makes him a STRONG and legitimate contender.

tycharles01 · #15 04-30-2007, 04:35 PM

I got about 7 or 8 horses for 4 spots.

All I can hope is that 1 or 2 of them draw those great 17,18,19,20 spots and make my job a little easier

miraja2 · #16 04-30-2007, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by moodwalker

I don't think he disliked Keeneland.

I think he popped a huge effort in the BC and isn't any better than the rest of the crop.

One impressive victory at two, two preps where he didn't stand out, and a few workouts at churchill and he will be the favorite.

Doesn't add up to me.

I'm leaving him off.

And AGS doesn't have a shot in my opinion.

Circular Quay is the one.

It seems a bit strange to me for you to toss Street Sense if you like CQ. If you think the race is going to have a pace scenario that sets up nicely for CQ, wouldn't that also be a favorable pace scenario for Street Sense?
If you are going deep and betting TRIs and Supers, leaving SS off seems like a poor move to me.
It is at least possible that he is quite simply the best horse in this crop on dirt.

tywizard · #17 04-30-2007, 05:07 PM

SS's two impressive victories have been the result of an open rail - with 20 gunning, I'm not going to count on him getting the rail....I liked him until watching the major preps...in my opinion he has benefited from perfect trips that will simply not exist on Saturday...

declansharbor · #18 04-30-2007, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by tywizard

SS's two impressive victories have been the result of an open rail - with 20 gunning, I'm not going to count on him getting the rail....I liked him until watching the major preps...in my opinion he has benefited from perfect trips that will simply not exist on Saturday...

In which way was the Bluegrass a perfect trip?? And the only reason the rail was open in the TB derby was because he outran the other midpack horses to get a clean crack at it.. I dont think he needs the rail anyways, we will find out saturday

Scurlogue Champ · #19 04-30-2007, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by declansharbor

In which way was the Bluegrass a perfect trip?? And the only reason the rail was open in the TB derby was because he outran the other midpack horses to get a clean crack at it.. I dont think he needs the rail anyways, we will find out saturday

I don't think the Bluegrass was a "perfect trip." But I do think that he was clear and outside with plenty of time to assert himself as the cream of the crop.

.......He didn't.

miraja2 · #20 04-30-2007, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by tywizard

SS's two impressive victories have been the result of an open rail - with 20 gunning, I'm not going to count on him getting the rail....I liked him until watching the major preps...in my opinion he has benefited from perfect trips that will simply not exist on Saturday...

You might be right about this. Maybe he does "need" the rail. At this point though, he is too scary for me to leave off, because he also might NOT be a "need-the-rail" type.