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Old 04-23-2007, 07:47 PM
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I think Any Given Saturday. Especially, with the positive rider change for his preferred style
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Old 04-23-2007, 09:31 PM
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I think Any Given Saturday. Especially, with the positive rider change for his preferred style
exactly, this horse is going to be the same odds at Circular Quay on derby Day, whole world is all over him, has AGS even won a stakes race this year?
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Old 04-23-2007, 09:34 PM
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exactly, this horse is going to be the same odds at Circular Quay on derby Day, whole world is all over him, has AGS even won a stakes race this year?
Not a graded, but he won the Sam Davis S. at Tampa Bay.
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Old 04-23-2007, 09:35 PM
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Not a graded, but he won the Sam Davis S. at Tampa Bay.
There you go, not even a graded winner......will be grossly overbet. Giacomo was the last non graded winner to win, after that I can't remember....
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Old 04-23-2007, 09:43 PM
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There you go, not even a graded winner......will be grossly overbet. Giacomo was the last non graded winner to win, after that I can't remember....
Funny Cide also

all the way back to 1996 and can't find one besides those two, and probably less and less.

I don't consider it viable because of how things have changed but it is something to consider
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Old 04-24-2007, 10:46 AM
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There you go, not even a graded winner......will be grossly overbet. Giacomo was the last non graded winner to win, after that I can't remember....
Funny Cide.
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Old 04-23-2007, 09:42 PM
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exactly, this horse is going to be the same odds at Circular Quay on derby Day, whole world is all over him, has AGS even won a stakes race this year?

What is strange about being the same odds as a horse who has not raced in 8 weeks and had an obvious change of plans due to...? someone tell me, why did Pletcher change plans. I dont remember Pletcher ever being quoted after CQ's last race saying that the plan is to give the horse 8 weeks off.
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Old 04-23-2007, 09:44 PM
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What is strange about being the same odds as a horse who has not raced in 8 weeks and had an obvious change of plans due to...? someone tell me, why did Pletcher change plans. I dont remember Pletcher ever being quoted after CQ's last race saying that the plan is to give the horse 8 weeks off.
the horse has worked perfectly the last two times, the horse is fine. he just needed time and from reports, Angel told him the horse runs best off layoffs and just get him ready.

The horse is lock city to hit the board with his turn of foot, and most likely win
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Old 04-23-2007, 09:47 PM
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the horse has worked perfectly the last two times, the horse is fine. he just needed time and from reports, Angel told him the horse runs best off layoffs and just get him ready.

The horse is lock city to hit the board with his turn of foot, and most likely win
2 month layoffs?
You got him as a favorite? Holy Moses. No way Im going for 8 weeks off, Barbaro has not sunk that deep into my bones and that was 5 weeks.
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Old 04-23-2007, 09:49 PM
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So to be a wise guy horse you are not allowed to win preps?
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Old 04-23-2007, 09:50 PM
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If you are allowed to win preps my wise guy horse is


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Old 04-23-2007, 09:54 PM
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So to be a wise guy horse you are not allowed to win preps?
yes, what has this horse but run a good second at Tampa Bay.

I am not saying he can't win, but he hasn't beat a race. I personally like horses that show me they can win a race, sometime in their life to bet to win

To address Pat, yes, and I am backing it up, The night before the Derby they allow pre betting and good ole Scav is going up there and putting $100 across on CQ, and putting him in all three spots of the tri with 10 horses (10x9x1,1x10x9, 10x1x9) so I am spending $570 on him alone, plus pick threes which I will play day of, and I will probably use 5 horses in the Derby with CQ being one of them. Don't care what the odds, they could be 5/1 and I would still play it
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Old 04-23-2007, 08:04 PM
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What's the definition of a "wise guy horse?"

Was it Bandini in 2005?

Other recent examples?
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Old 04-23-2007, 08:07 PM
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http://www.drf.com/tc/kentuckyderby/...tch_042007.pdf

Jay Privman says Chelokee is the wise-guy horse this year.... and im not gonna argue


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Old 04-23-2007, 08:19 PM
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Doubtful as of today though.

what did i miss today?


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Saarland, that's it. He was a big wiseguy horse.
My pick that year....
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Old 04-23-2007, 09:12 PM
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I think the Wise Guy horse is going to be No Biz
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Old 04-23-2007, 09:29 PM
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AGS or Hard Spun if you can consider them wise guy horses. . .
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