Any Given Saturday

SCUDSBROTHER · #1 03-19-2007, 02:37 PM

He isn't good enough.He is good,but there is no doubt in my mind that he is not good enough.People are gunna look for excuses for him,but he has twice lost a fair fight.........2nd-3rd-4th-5th.....Got a little Arabian Head, too.

NTamm1215 · #2 03-19-2007, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

He isn't good enough.He is good,but there is no doubt in my mind that he is not good enough.People are gunna look for excuses for him,but he has twice lost a fair fight.........2nd-3rd-4th-5th.....Got a little Arabian Head, too.

Any Given Saturday has a loss by a head to the champion 2YO and a half-length loss to Tiz Wonderful, one of the most highly regarded 2YOs around. How is he not good enough? What makes you think that? I'd love to hear it.

The horse still undoubtedly has to get over the hump, but I can't believe that right now he is just simply not good enough.

NT

SCUDSBROTHER · #3 03-19-2007, 03:06 PM

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Any Given Saturday has a loss by a head to the champion 2YO and a half-length loss to Tiz Wonderful, one of the most highly regarded 2YOs around. How is he not good enough? What makes you think that? I'd love to hear it.

The horse still undoubtedly has to get over the hump, but I can't believe that right now he is just simply not good enough.

NT

The competition ain't gunna get easier.He is a known quantity(good,but not good enough.)He is the same teaser that he was last year.Don't fall for it.He can't get it done.

kentuckyrosesinmay · #4 03-19-2007, 03:12 PM

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The competition ain't gunna get easier.He is a known quantity(good,but not good enough.)He is the same teaser that he was last year.Don't fall for it.He can't get it done.

I agree.

#5 03-19-2007, 03:13 PM

He's a little feller.

Grits · #6 03-19-2007, 03:10 PM

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Any Given Saturday has a loss by a head to the champion 2YO and a half-length loss to Tiz Wonderful, one of the most highly regarded 2YOs around. How is he not good enough? What makes you think that? I'd love to hear it.

The horse still undoubtedly has to get over the hump, but I can't believe that right now he is just simply not good enough.

NT

I agree. The reason the horse has been dumped by the previous posters probably has more to do with hammering him at the window, and not cashing.

That's the lament of a disgruntled horseplayer.

POINTGIVEN1985 · #7 03-19-2007, 03:12 PM

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I agree. The reason the horse has been dumped by the previous posters probably has more to do with hammering him at the window, and not cashing.

That's the lament of a disgruntled horseplayer.

well i obviously did not hammer him, i spoke all week of hammering street sense, which i did not do i backed off, but i would have never bet any given saturday, so why are you implying that towards ?

Grits · #8 03-19-2007, 03:17 PM

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well i obviously did not hammer him, i spoke all week of hammering street sense, which i did not do i backed off, but i would have never bet any given saturday, so why are you implying that towards ?

Because, common sense tells me that when two horses gut it out the last yards of a damn horse race as in the likes of this particular heat, one doesn't bail because the other lost the contest by a damn head bob.

So therefore, I'm going to relegate him to second tier.

...no, I don't think so.

Bigsmc · #9 03-19-2007, 03:20 PM

Steve saw him in person and thinks he's just fine.

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10987

SCUDSBROTHER · #10 03-19-2007, 03:14 PM

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I agree. The reason the horse has been dumped by the previous posters probably has more to do with hammering him at the window, and not cashing.

That's the lament of a disgruntled horseplayer.

I don't hammer anything at the window.........Horse had 1st run.....Couldn't draw off........Ain't good enough to do it,but he is a good horse.

NTamm1215 · #11 03-19-2007, 03:20 PM

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I don't hammer anything at the window.........Horse had 1st run.....Couldn't draw off........Ain't good enough to do it,but he is a good horse.

Velazquez didn't even start riding the horse until Street Sense was already up the rail and in front. He did not have first run. Street Sense had first run.

I think these premature observations are just that, premature. Somebody even said AGS had every chance to beat Street Sense. The latter got a significantly better trip.

We're talking about this horse being a 2nd tier horse in March when you guys are talking in various threads about Notional, Liquidity, Belgravia, Nobiz and a host of others as first tier horses. That's a little off base in my opinion and again it's just my opinion.

NT

POINTGIVEN1985 · #12 03-19-2007, 03:23 PM

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Velazquez didn't even start riding the horse until Street Sense was already up the rail and in front. He did not have first run. Street Sense had first run.

I think these premature observations are just that, premature. Somebody even said AGS had every chance to beat Street Sense. The latter got a significantly better trip.

We're talking about this horse being a 2nd tier horse in March when you guys are talking in various threads about Notional, Liquidity, Belgravia, Nobiz and a host of others as first tier horses. That's a little off base in my opinion and again it's just my opinion.

NT

out of the 4 horses you named i only think nobiz is first tier, the other 3 are sleepers, or price horses that could run big in my opinion

hockey2315 · #13 03-19-2007, 03:26 PM

What has Liquidity done that warrants ANY consideration for the derby?

POINTGIVEN1985 · #14 03-19-2007, 03:04 PM

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He isn't good enough.He is good,but there is no doubt in my mind that he is not good enough.People are gunna look for excuses for him,but he has twice lost a fair fight.........2nd-3rd-4th-5th.....Got a little Arabian Head, too.

i totally agree with him, i talked up street sense for weeks before this past saturday and alot of ppl were saying any given saturday would beat him, well he had every chance to beat him and alot more going for him, and he still did not beat him, scuds is correct he's just not good enough, he is a second tier horse i feel very strongly about that, and i felt that way before the tampa bay derby

SniperSB23 · #15 03-19-2007, 03:06 PM

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i totally agree with him, i talked up street sense for weeks before this past saturday and alot of ppl were saying any given saturday would beat him, well he had every chance to beat him and alot more going for him, and he still did not beat him, scuds is correct he's just not good enough, he is a second tier horse i feel very strongly about that, and i felt that way before the tampa bay derby

How is he second tier by losing to the top of his class by a head bob?

POINTGIVEN1985 · #16 03-19-2007, 03:08 PM

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How is he second tier by losing to the top of his class by a head bob?

he dosent win, thats how.

SniperSB23 · #17 03-19-2007, 03:16 PM

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he dosent win, thats how.

Do you honestly think the horse had any clue whether or not he won the photo? One foot later and his head bobbed in front. The horse had no clue whether or not he won. He is also 3 for 5 which makes your "he doesn't win" comment completely ridiculous.

POINTGIVEN1985 · #18 03-19-2007, 03:22 PM

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Do you honestly think the horse had any clue whether or not he won the photo? One foot later and his head bobbed in front. The horse had no clue whether or not he won. He is also 3 for 5 which makes your "he doesn't win" comment completely ridiculous.

well any given saturday had everything going for him, race over the track, dead fit, connections that are on fire, everything going for him and still did not beat street sense, who's trainer said this is a prep if he runs a good closing second we'd be happy

blackthroatedwind · #19 03-19-2007, 03:26 PM

Let me get this straight, Any Given Saturday lost by about six inches on Saturday to the current favorite for the Derby and he now " isn't good enough "? That kind of logic allowed Easy Goer to be 8:5 to Sunday Silence's 2:5 in the Belmont Stakes after the head bob in the Preakness. Unless one horse had real trouble in a race, and both Any Given Saturday and Street Sense had perfect trips, decisions this close are pretty much ties as far as handicapping is concerned unless one horse has PROVEN to have a disinterest in winning.

Both of Any Given Saturday's losses have been very close decisions to the two horses that many considered the leaders of this crop. How he isn't a MAJOR contender at this point is beyond me. I would bet money that Todd Pletcher considers him his best Derby horse.

SniperSB23 · #20 03-19-2007, 03:30 PM

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well any given saturday had everything going for him, race over the track, dead fit, connections that are on fire, everything going for him and still did not beat street sense, who's trainer said this is a prep if he runs a good closing second we'd be happy

He lost by a head bob while running significantly wider. How did he have everything going for him? Using the trainer's pre-race excuse in case his horse got beat is an absolutely silly justification that Street Sense wasn't fit. It was the first race off the layoff so was the best chance for AGS to beat him but SS got a much better trip which offset that. In the end there was virtually nothing separating the two. Street Sense and Any Given Saturday are the only two 3yos out there with two triple digit Beyers at this point. Only Nobiz Like Shobiz has a better 3rd best Beyer than AGS (by one point). To dismiss him off this race is borderline insane.