3/26-28 (CD): Derby Future Wager ~ Pool 5

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Dunbar

The flip side is why assume there are not any good bets in there? It's parimutual and the takeout is the same as any race at Churchill. Some entries will be overbet and some will be underbet. If they're underbet enough, they're good bets.

I don’t see how betting a race that is 6 weeks away where there are so many variables could possibly be considered a good bet.

I’m sure all those people who bet Life Is Good thought they made a good bet.

So much can change in this game, with 3 year olds, daily. Why make it more difficult on yourself and your bankroll?

I just think it’s very difficult if not impossible to determine value this far out. Too much can happen.

[Conrad]

I got lucky (or unlucky, as it was) when i bet Giacomo in the 2005 future pool at 25-1.
I had soured on him by the time the Derby came around and passed on him at 50-1.

The End

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Conrad

I got lucky (or unlucky, as it was) when i bet Giacomo in the 2005 future pool at 25-1.
I had soured on him by the time the Derby came around and passed on him at 50-1.

The End

I did almost the same except I bet him Derby Day too.

Soured me on the future pools.

[moses]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I did almost the same except I bet him Derby Day too.

Soured me on the future pools.

The futures wagers are bad bets...but I still make them because they can be fun.

In the past, I've picked different horses for each pool. This year, I just kept betting Concert Tour so I've got some money to win on him and then a bunch of small ($1 or $2) exactas with different horses in each pool and a few doubles with him. I've got a $1 exacta of Concert Tour over Hot Rod Charlie that will pay $1030. And while that's still probably not going to happen, it's kind of fun to have that possibility.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by moses

The futures wagers are bad bets...but I still make them because they can be fun.

In the past, I've picked different horses for each pool. This year, I just kept betting Concert Tour so I've got some money to win on him and then a bunch of small ($1 or $2) exactas with different horses in each pool and a few doubles with him. I've got a $1 exacta of Concert Tour over Hot Rod Charlie that will pay $1030. And while that's still probably not going to happen, it's kind of fun to have that possibility.

I hear ya. If you’re looking at it as a fun bet, it is.

[moses]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I hear ya. If you’re looking at it as a fun bet, it is.

Yeah. I mean, winning money is generally more fun than losing money. But I don't wager a ton of money on these future bets and consider them a little more like lottery tickets than typical horse bets.

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I don’t see how betting a race that is 6 weeks away where there are so many variables could possibly be considered a good bet.

Just like any other horse bet, there is information to analyze. The time until the race is another variable. Often, adding a new variable is a good thing in betting, especially if you think you have a better handle on it than the majority of bettors.

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I’m sure all those people who bet Life Is Good thought they made a good bet.

Doesn’t everyone who makes any horse bet think they've made a good bet? I think you'd agree that 99%+ of them are wrong.

Originally Posted by Dahoss

So much can change in this game, with 3 year olds, daily. Why make it more difficult on yourself and your bankroll?

Why make any horse racing bet? With its house edge/takeout of 15-25% it would appear way more difficult than, say, NFL betting, where the house edge is less than 5%. But sometimes the difficulty presents opportunities for the betting public to make big mistakes.

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I just think it’s very difficult if not impossible to determine value this far out. Too much can happen.

It’s another variable. It's not impossible to analyze.

[moses]

Originally Posted by Conrad

I got lucky (or unlucky, as it was) when i bet Giacomo in the 2005 future pool at 25-1.
I had soured on him by the time the Derby came around and passed on him at 50-1.

The End

I did that with Country House. Around 30/1 in the futures pool but he went off much higher than that.