6/8 (BEL): 151st Belmont Stakes Day ~ 8 G1's

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

It is inexcusable for them to intentionally mess with the track to make it faster. People play Belmont every day and know how the track plays. Sure it can change a little bit from day to day. There isn't much they can do about that. Horse players accept that.

But why would management go out of their way to intentionally make the track lightening fast (which causes a speed bias)? Nobody wants them to do that. It makes the track play totally differently from the way it normally plays. How could they not know that their customers don't want them to do that? Do they think people want to have to totally change the way they handicap?

Who cares if it's slow or fast? You care there is a significant bias, for two reasons, the first is being it's hard to toss logical horses into plays if their style doesn't fit the bias, and the second is its more work because now you have to weight their effort the next time they run which is tricky.

[PeteMugg]

I’d say I’m more upset Tacitus ran about two miles in a 1 1/2 mile race. Sir Winston ran the route exactly as I hoped the ten would. Four wide all the way around isn’t much of a ride.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Who cares if it's slow or fast? You care there is a significant bias, for two reasons, the first is being it's hard to toss logical horses into plays if their style doesn't fit the bias, and the second is its more work because now you have to weight their effort the next time they run which is tricky.

When they make the track so fast at Belmont, there is almost always a big speed bias. That is my main point.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

When they make the track so fast at Belmont, there is almost always a big speed bias. That is my main point.

Two different situations. It's OK to admit it.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Two different situations. It's OK to admit it.

What is the other situation you are referring to? I am specifically talking about the situation where track management purposely goes out of their way to make the track really fast on a big day (producing a speed bias).

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

When they make the track so fast at Belmont, there is almost always a big speed bias. That is my main point.

Everyone wants a fair surface. If you think the superintendent, who is considered by many to be outstanding, wants a bias surface you couldn't be more wrong. There is no way in the world he wakes up and says to himself, let's make a golden rail today.

[Dahoss]

Rupert, there wasn’t a big speed bias. There was a big rail bias.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Everyone wants a fair surface. If you think the superintendent, who is considered by many to be outstanding, wants a bias surface you couldn't be more wrong. There is no way in the world he wakes up and says to himself, let's make a golden rail today.

I don't think he wants there to be a speed bias. I think he was told to make the track really fast. On these really big days, for whatever reason, they like the track to be really fast. The result is usually a speed bias.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I don't think he wants there to be a speed bias. I think he was told to make the track really fast. On these really big days, for whatever reason, they like the track to be really fast. The result is usually a speed bias.

Safe surface priority one

Working with horseman to find a surface a majority want priority two

Taking a call from "they" to speed the track up is a fantasy ESPECIALLY this day and age of hypersensitivity to track conditions and horse fatalities.

BTW who do you think made the call Yo Glenn scrape the surface we want fast times for TV?

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Safe surface priority one

Working with horseman to find a surface a majority want priority two

Taking a call from "they" to speed the track up is a fantasy ESPECIALLY this day and age of hypersensitivity to track conditions and horse fatalities.

BTW who do you think made the call Yo Glenn scrape the surface we want fast times for TV?

Somebody obviously made the call. Do you think it's just a coincidence that the track is lightening fast on days like this? I highly doubt the trackman just decides to take it upon himself to speed up the track on these big days.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Somebody obviously made the call. Do you think it's just a coincidence that the track is lightening fast on days like this? I highly doubt the trackman just decides to take it upon himself to speed up the track on these big days.

Somebody made the call? Did KYRIM steal your login? Please stop. You're embarrassing yourself. You don't even know the difference between a rail bias and a speed bias.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I don't think he wants there to be a speed bias. I think he was told to make the track really fast. On these really big days, for whatever reason, they like the track to be really fast. The result is usually a speed bias.

But there wasn’t a speed bias. The rail was golden. That’s not the same as a speed bias. You could close yesterday. But the longer you were glued to the rail, the better you did.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

But there wasn’t a speed bias. The rail was golden. That’s not the same as a speed bias. You could close yesterday. But the longer you were glued to the rail, the better you did.

A speed bias doesn't mean you can't close. It just means it's much tougher to close. If there is a suicidal pace, someone will probably close. That doesn't mean there's not a speed bias.

I will take your word for it that there was a rail bias. It's not something I focus on.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

A speed bias doesn't mean you can't close. It just means it's much tougher to close. If there is a suicidal pace, someone will probably close. That doesn't mean there's not a speed bias.

I will take your word for it that there was a rail bias. It's not something I focus on.

You weren’t aware of the inside bias but want to educate me on what a speed bias is. Tremendous. Cherry on top is using Watchmaker as proof.

Don’t change ever.