'17 CROWN TRAIL THREAD: Always Dreaming; Cloud Computing; Tapwrit

[pmayjr]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Just feels like a couple years ago, you have a pretty nice horse in the Derby winner and not much else, in fact the crop seems even weaker than AP triple crown year. Its hard to find much to nag about with the Derby winner and he just doesnt have to beat much the next two races.

Quick turnaround is the issue given the barn never does that much.

I think it's too early to tell for 1 reason- the mud.

Probably 3/4 of the trainers will say "my horse hated the mud" and will try again in the Belmont. I think a lot legitimately believe that.

If/when Always Dreaming smokes them on a dry track, then I'll agree

[RHT2004]

Cloud Computing feels like a very likely winner of the Preakness.

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

Cloud Computing feels like a very likely winner of the Preakness.

Besides that Andy likes him why? There are others that look better.

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

Besides that Andy likes him why? There are others that look better.

He's been high on the horse, but who knows who he likes in this race. Why does it matter?
I want a new face, who else is there unless you want to take 4-5 on the Derby winner? I dont and I've never been a Classic Empire fan and he's obviously not a new shooter.
Who are the others that look better? I see no one. Its Always Dreaming or Cloud Computing. No one else wins this race

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

He's been high on the horse, but who knows who he likes in this race. Why does it matter?
I want a new face, who else is there unless you want to take 4-5 on the Derby winner? I dont and I've never been a Classic Empire fan and he's obviously not a new shooter.
Who are the others that look better? I see no one. Its Always Dreaming or Cloud Computing. No one else wins this rsce.

There's quite a few that can win this is always dreaming isn't ready including empire. This group doesn't have much separation my friend

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

There's quite a few that can win this is always dreaming isn't ready including empire. This group doesn't have much separation my friend

I don't see it that way, but OK.

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

I don't see it that way, but OK.

It's s close group.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

Besides that Andy likes him why? There are others that look better.

Even I wouldn't make a stupid comment calling Cloud Computing a "likely" Preakness winner but I'm not sure he isn't the third likeliest winner behind Always Dreaming and Classic Empire.

His Gotham was very strong and he has legit excuses in the Wood. I think he will run very well in Baltimore, and probably outrun his odds, which hopefully can get him there.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

His Gotham was very strong and he has legit excuses in the Wood. I think he will run very well in Baltimore, and probably outrun his odds, which hopefully can get him there.

isnt he going to be third choice? Wont he be about 8/1?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

isnt he going to be third choice? Wont he be about 8/1?

I'm not a ML maker. I think he's probably, at worst, the third likeliest winner.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

isnt he going to be third choice? Wont he be about 8/1?

To expand on that....TC races tend to be bet less efficiently than regular races due to a higher percentage of less sophisticated money.

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Even I wouldn't make a stupid comment calling Cloud Computing a "likely" Preakness winner but I'm not sure he isn't the third likeliest winner behind Always Dreaming and Classic Empire.

His Gotham was very strong and he has legit excuses in the Wood. I think he will run very well in Baltimore, and probably outrun his odds, which hopefully can get him there.

Ya saying he is the likely winner is a stretch. I can see him as third betting choice but don't there is much difference in him then many others. Always dreaming is the clear cut favorite but can lose no doubt. Empire had a rough trip as noted so we shall see how much gas is in his tank. I expect Gunnevera and Hence to be much better in this race if its dry.

[Kasept]

Make it 11.. O'Neill adds late running Term of Art to Preakness with Jose Ortiz getting the call.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Even I wouldn't make a stupid comment calling Cloud Computing a "likely" Preakness winner but I'm not sure he isn't the third likeliest winner behind Always Dreaming and Classic Empire.

His Gotham was very strong and he has legit excuses in the Wood. I think he will run very well in Baltimore, and probably outrun his odds, which hopefully can get him there.

Hey man, great handicapping, I was never into this horse but you nailed him so hope you hit it good.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Classic Empire is the reincarnation of Dortmund.

Here's to hoping he will continue to be helplessly over-hyped.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Classic Empire is the reincarnation of Dortmund.

Here's to hoping he will continue to be helplessly over-hyped.

he ran a good race but with that slow pace and jump on the other horses how did he lose? Decent enough horse but will always be overbet.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Classic Empire is the reincarnation of Dortmund.

Here's to hoping he will continue to be helplessly over-hyped.

Nope

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Classic Empire is the reincarnation of Dortmund.

Here's to hoping he will continue to be helplessly over-hyped.

A juvenile champion, who has a Grade I win this year, who ran the best race in the Preakness is helplessly over-hyped?

Given all that Classic Empire accomplished as a 2YO and the way he has come to hand after a few rocky months as a 3YO I don't see how that argument can be made.

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

Cloud Computing feels like a very likely winner of the Preakness.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

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His Gotham was very strong and he has legit excuses in the Wood. I think he will run very well in Baltimore, and probably outrun his odds, which hopefully can get him there.

[richard burch]

Congrats to C.C. and the connections. Did what they needed to win.