9/24 (PRX): Cotillion (G1), PA Derby (G2), Gallant Bob (G3)

[Secretriat34]

I'm having some trouble with the PA derby results.

consider this group

Nyquist - winner of BCJ, Kentucky Derby, Fla derby, San Vincente, Best Pal
Exaggerator - winner of SA derby, Preakness, Haskell, 2nd in kentucky
Cupid - winner of The Rebel, VW derby, Indiana derby


THERE IS SOMETHING FUNNY ABOUT THEM NOT BEING IN THE MONEY AT ALL

61-1 shot Wild About Deb returned $21.20 to show, In earning her first grade I-placing,


WHAT HAPPEN HERE ?

Trainer Steve Asmussen was pleased with the way Winchell Thoroughbreds, Three Chimneys, and Besilu Stables' Gun Runner raced, but confessed he was thinking bigger for the son of Candy Ride , who finished third in the Kentucky Derby, winner of LA derby, Risen star..
"He's such a nice horse. He ran a solid race and beat the horses that beat him in the (Kentucky Derby)," Asmussen said. "He was second, but I kind of planned on winning today."
Nyquist's owner Paul Reddam had no immediate explanation for the off-the-board finish by his Derby winner and wasn't sure a Breeders' Cup start would be realistic.
"The winner ran well and we didn't have any apparent excuse," Reddam said. "We'll have to check the horse over and make sure that he's (well) and we'll work from there. That was definitely the worst performance of his life, so that's not how you want to go into the Breeders' Cup. Maybe it'll somehow look different tomorrow, but I'm not sure how


these results are very odd

how does a 61-1 shot get past all the grade 1 winners

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by Secretriat34

I'm having some trouble with the PA derby results.

consider this group

Nyquist - winner of BCJ, Kentucky Derby, Fla derby, San Vincente, Best Pal
Exaggerator - winner of SA derby, Preakness, Haskell, 2nd in kentucky
Cupid - winner of The Rebel, VW derby, Indiana derby


THERE IS SOMETHING FUNNY ABOUT THEM NOT BEING IN THE MONEY AT ALL

61-1 shot Wild About Deb returned $21.20 to show, In earning her first grade I-placing,


WHAT HAPPEN HERE ?

Trainer Steve Asmussen was pleased with the way Winchell Thoroughbreds, Three Chimneys, and Besilu Stables' Gun Runner raced, but confessed he was thinking bigger for the son of Candy Ride , who finished third in the Kentucky Derby, winner of LA derby, Risen star..
"He's such a nice horse. He ran a solid race and beat the horses that beat him in the (Kentucky Derby)," Asmussen said. "He was second, but I kind of planned on winning today."
Nyquist's owner Paul Reddam had no immediate explanation for the off-the-board finish by his Derby winner and wasn't sure a Breeders' Cup start would be realistic.
"The winner ran well and we didn't have any apparent excuse," Reddam said. "We'll have to check the horse over and make sure that he's (well) and we'll work from there. That was definitely the worst performance of his life, so that's not how you want to go into the Breeders' Cup. Maybe it'll somehow look different tomorrow, but I'm not sure how


these results are very odd

how does a 61-1 shot get past all the grade 1 winners

Not sure why you are surprised. When the track is dry almost all these 3 years olds are about the same with maybe the exception of Arrogate.

[Secretriat34]

i expected more from what i thought were the division leaders.

[Pants II]

You miss American Pharoah. It's a grieving process. Now all we have is Arrogate and false hope.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Secretriat34

i expected more from what i thought were the division leaders.

Cupid was exposed (again) once he took on the top of the class.

Nyquist and Exaggerator, from the outside, simply look like tired horses. Nyquist showed some signs of life at least. Both should be rested and point for the Malibu after Christmas as an attempt to salvage the 3yo Eclipse and/or as a springboard to a 4yo campaign. Otherwise, they are approaching Monarchos, Orb, Go For Gin, Super Saver, Mine That Bird, Giacomo, Fusaichi Pegasus status.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Cupid was exposed (again) once he took on the top of the class.

Nyquist and Exaggerator, from the outside, simply look like tired horses. Nyquist showed some signs of life at least. Both should be rested and point for the Malibu after Christmas as an attempt to salvage the 3yo Eclipse and/or as a springboard to a 4yo campaign. Otherwise, they are approaching Monarchos, Orb, Go For Gin, Super Saver, Mine That Bird, Giacomo, Fusaichi Pegasus status.

Didnt Darley buy Nyquist? What 4 year old season? Breeding?

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Didnt Darley buy Nyquist? What 4 year old season? Breeding?

Paul Reddam controls the racing career according to the report on the stud deal late last year and he seems like one that likes to keep them racing. His post race comments for the Penn Derby hinted that he wouldn't be opposed to skipping the BC considering the colt's performance, presumably to regroup for later races (i.e. a 4yo campaign).

At the very least, I would guess that he has his eye on that Pegasus Cup monstrosity early next year.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Paul Reddam controls the racing career according to the report on the stud deal late last year and he seems like one that likes to keep them racing. His post race comments for the Penn Derby hinted that he wouldn't be opposed to skipping the BC considering the colt's performance, presumably to regroup for later races (i.e. a 4yo campaign).

At the very least, I would guess that he has his eye on that Pegasus Cup monstrosity early next year.

I wonder when Reddam's control expires I would assume at end of 3 year old campaign but I wouldnt know

[Secretriat34]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Cupid was exposed (again) once he took on the top of the class.

Nyquist and Exaggerator, from the outside, simply look like tired horses. Nyquist showed some signs of life at least. Both should be rested and point for the Malibu after Christmas as an attempt to salvage the 3yo Eclipse and/or as a springboard to a 4yo campaign. Otherwise, they are approaching Monarchos, Orb, Go For Gin, Super Saver, Mine That Bird, Giacomo, Fusaichi Pegasus status.

maybe even the Clark..Nyquist seemed to like CD

[Benny]

May be time for a Euro to step up for BC ?? if not Arrogate.

[Secretriat34]

Chrome has the bcc in the bag

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Benny

May be time for a Euro to step up for BC ?? if not Arrogate.

If Arrogate starts in the BCC and doesn't have a start in-between that race and the Travers, he will make for an unprecedented profile in that race.

In the last 25 BCCs, here are the lightly raced 3yos who contested the race. Unlike Arrogate (if he trains up to the BC), all of these started in late September or October as a final "prep".

1995: French Deputy wins debut at 2, wins 2x in February, then on shelf until September when he wins the Jerome. Gets beat in an allowance prep and runs 9th in the BCC.

1996: Formal Gold debuts in June and makes 6 starts prior to the BC, with runner up finishes in the Penn Derby and Meadowlands Cup. Mild rally for 5th a few lengths behind the blanket finish of Alphabet Soup, Cigar, etc. Will's Way debuts in February, wins the Travers, but tanks in both the Super Derby and BCC (7th).

1997: Behrens debuts in January, runs a close second in the Travers, wins the 4-horse $1 million Pegasus, then buried by Skip Away in the BCC.

1998: Arch ran once at 2, lightly raced until summer, won the Super Derby and Fayette, but finishes last in the BCC (Gentlemen eased).

2000: Tiznow debuts in April, runs 8 times leading up to BCC. Won Super Derby at 10f, like Arrogate, in track record time (1:59+). Also took Goodwood. Won BCC by a nose over Giant's Causeway.

2001: Orientate ran twice at 2, laid up until following summer, won Indiana Derby, then ran last in Tiznow's second BCC.

2009: Girolamo ran in stakes at 2, but on shelf until August at 3, won Jerome and then last on synthetic BCC to Zenyatta.

2011: Rattlesnake Bridge debuts in February, runs 2nd in the Travers, then only 9th in BCC to Drosselmeyer.

2012: Nonios debuts in February, places in Haskell, 5th in Travers and 6th in BCC to Fort Larned.

2014: V.E. Day debuts in January, wins Travers. 11th in BCC.