A Great Day For Racing

[jimmy the T]

Originally Posted by Rare Bog

I assure you this:

A 60 Minutes segment on a handicapper that employs legitimate modern methods to "beat the game" will do a whole lot more to save racing than a segment on Zenyatta or any other purdy horsey.

'legitimate modern methods' you mean his speed figs? The same ones that some people say don't work. The figs that seem to be to good to be true.I never said Z will save racing but she did more FOR RACING as a legit superstar than any other horse this year. Every time she raced crowds were huge, agreed. Where are the 'BLAME FANS' or any other horse for that matter. You seem to think that unless you gamble you can't help racing? The thousands of young kids cheering for Z helped attendance in Calif at a time when negativity is rampant in horse racing.

[trackrat59]

Here's what I was thinking about while driving to work this morning listening to Steve's replay of yesterdays show talking about the HOY outcome.

If Zen gave us so many new fans, and a big fan base for Zen is in CA, and CA racing is doing so poorly, what's up with that? Has CA noticed any sort of positive impact due to the Zen factor? If not, when will the Zen fans start showing up at the tracks? Especially in CA.

Not being a smart a$$ here. Just really started to think about this question.

I'm not familiar with CA racing being on the east coast. Maybe I've missed something.

[jimmy the T]

Originally Posted by trackrat59

Here's what I was thinking about while driving to work this morning listening to Steve's replay of yesterdays show talking about the HOY outcome.

If Zen gave us so many new fans, and a big fan base for Zen is in CA, and CA racing is doing so poorly, what's up with that? Has CA noticed any sort of positive impact due to the Zen factor? If not, when will the Zen fans start showing up at the tracks? Especially in CA.

Not being a smart a$$ here. Just really started to think about this question.

I'm not familiar with CA racing being on the east coast. Maybe I've missed something.

there is an organized boycott of Cali racing going on due to increased takeout.

[jimmy the T]

playersboycott.org I still bet Santa Anita. How can anyone gauge what impact she will have on the future attendance? I hope the families who
came out in 2010 for Z find a new star and return in 2011 and so on.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by jimmy the T

there is an organized boycott of Cali racing going on due to increased takeout.

Yeah right. I'm 38 and have been playing for years and don't consider the takeout when I have a chance to play. But all the new racing fans, many with their pretty teal and pink signs who came to see the dancing horsey, who mind you are going to do so much to help the game are now boycotting the track because of the incresed takeout.

[NTamm1215]

Mainstream media and society took so kindly to Zenyatta's overwhelmingly generous connections, her impeccable dance moves, and her wonderful story that there was nary a mention of her HOTY crown on any major news outlet in the sporting world. There was a headline yesterday morning on ESPN about Annie Duke starting a new pro poker league. There was nothing on NBC Sports, as Justin Dew mentioned, and they only televise 2/3 of the Triple Crown.

The stuff about her creating new fans and being so meaningful to the game is the latest in a line of disingenuous b.ullshit that we've been fed by the people around her for 2 years. The people who have any concept of this game and how to grow it know that 20,000 screaming sign waving fanatics are not going to prop up our dying sport unless they open their wallets and make a wager. How anyone continues to miss this is beyond me.

I can only pray it's over. The wrong decision was made, but I'm ready to accept it if it means we're done talking about it. I can only hope that a horse comes along and wins the Derby and Preakness so that he/she can be the main focus of the racing world and Zenyatta will return to where she belongs now, in the past.

[jimmy the T]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Mainstream media and society took so kindly to Zenyatta's overwhelmingly generous connections, her impeccable dance moves, and her wonderful story that there was nary a mention of her HOTY crown on any major news outlet in the sporting world. There was a headline yesterday morning on ESPN about Annie Duke starting a new pro poker league. There was nothing on NBC Sports, as Justin Dew mentioned, and they only televise 2/3 of the Triple Crown.

The stuff about her creating new fans and being so meaningful to the game is the latest in a line of disingenuous b.ullshit that we've been fed by the people around her for 2 years. The people who have any concept of this game and how to grow it know that 20,000 screaming sign waving fanatics are not going to prop up our dying sport unless they open their wallets and make a wager. How anyone continues to miss this is beyond me.

I can only pray it's over. The wrong decision was made, but I'm ready to accept it if it means we're done talking about it. I can only hope that a horse comes along and wins the Derby and Preakness so that he/she can be the main focus of the racing world and Zenyatta will return to where she belongs now, in the past.

Can you answer me 3 questions mr negativity, How many screaming sign waving fanatics showed up at a horse race for any other horse last year? And why are you praying its over? Isn't the buzz of Z good for racing?

you left off roll.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by jimmy the T

Can you answer me 3 questions mr negativity, How many screaming sign waving fanatics showed up at a horse race for any other horse last year? And why are you praying its over? Isn't the buzz of Z good for racing?

Where's the buzz? Where did you find stories about Zenyatta winning HOTY yesterday morning aside from racing-related sites? Wasn't part of Zenyatta's "platform" for winning the award because she was some revolutionary who brought racing back to the forefront and made it a part of the sporting world again?

Having fans show up for racing does not mean the horse deserved the HOTY trophy, but you among many others have vastly overrated her achievements and made it possible.

[miraja2]

In the end there may be no more fitting way for Zenyatta's career to end than for her to lose an actual race....but then to win some phony award. She can now go out on top....because her supporters have manufactured it that way. Her legions of worshipers succeeded in doing what she could not, which is apropos given that they were always a more powerful force in print, on message boards, and on the airwaves than she ever was on the track. Congratulations to them.

Her fans succeeded in at least one other thing as well....they made me despise a good horse that I would have otherwise liked to enjoy. Congratulations again.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I can only pray it's over. The wrong decision was made, but I'm ready to accept it if it means we're done talking about it. I can only hope that a horse comes along and wins the Derby and Preakness so that he/she can be the main focus of the racing world and Zenyatta will return to where she belongs now, in the past.

You're the one keeping the hate alive. Rock on.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

You're the one keeping the hate alive. Rock on.

Thanks for keeping tabs on what I'm doing. I appreciate it. Why you even brought up the word hate is baffling.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

You're the one keeping the hate alive. Rock on.

Hate?