Ramon A. Dominguez

[LARHAGE]

I am not disparaging Ramon, but how can you say he is not on the favorite the VAST majority of the time? It has to be more than 90% of the time, especially at this time of year, and how can you possibly say Gomez was an also ran at Saratoga, as if he had remotely comparable mounts, please, whatever, Dominguez has his strengths and Gomez has his, primarily winning the big races.

[richard burch]

ramon deserves it because one time i saw him ride a full day of grade 1's at the santa anita breeders cup in california and then made it back for a claiming race at aqueduct the next day at 12:30 pm EST.

...or something like , ride horses- cab to LAX, - plane flight to JFK,
-sleep, -eat and get to the track in the AM while losing 3 hours of time travel.

thats commitment.

[eajinabi]

Why doesnt Ramon step out of NYRA sometimes and ride regularly at Gulfstream, Keeneland, Churchill like Johnny V, Castellano, Gogo, Leparaoux, Desormaeux. He is beating up on jocks like David Cohen, Eddie Castro, and Channing Hill at Aqu right now.

[pgiaco]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

Why doesnt Ramon step out of NYRA sometimes and ride regularly at Gulfstream, Keeneland, Churchill like Johnny V, Castellano, Gogo, Leparaoux, Desormaeux. He is beating up on jocks like David Cohen, Eddie Castro, and Channing Hill at Aqu right now.

He rides against those guys all year but for the winter. Ramon stayed in the Mid-Atlantic for a long time so he didn't have to move his family. I would guess that's why he's not too anxious to move South for the Winter.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by LARHAGE

I am not disparaging Ramon, but how can you say he is not on the favorite the VAST majority of the time? It has to be more than 90% of the time, especially at this time of year, and how can you possibly say Gomez was an also ran at Saratoga, as if he had remotely comparable mounts, please, whatever, Dominguez has his strengths and Gomez has his, primarily winning the big races.

Gomez wasn't an also ran at Saratoga.











He was an also ran at Monmouth. On pure ability you can't even compare the two. Dominguez is far better than Gomez. Both guys get the best mounts, the diffference is Ramon wins on them....Gomez....not so much.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Gomez wasn't an also ran at Saratoga.











He was an also ran at Monmouth. On pure ability you can't even compare the two. Dominguez is far better than Gomez. Both guys get the best mounts, the diffference is Ramon wins on them....Gomez....not so much.

Agreed, both guys are great riders, watching them both ride for any extended time, it is easy to conclude Ramon is and has been the better rider for the last few years. He is one of only a handful of riders that can make a difference in a race and the fact he is named on a horse, his reputation alone makes him underlaid and often the favorite by default.

[gaut10]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Gomez wasn't an also ran at Saratoga.



He was an also ran at Monmouth. On pure ability you can't even compare the two. Dominguez is far better than Gomez. Both guys get the best mounts, the diffference is Ramon wins on them....Gomez....not so much.

also ran is a bit of a stretch. not saying one guy is better than the other but...

18% winners at monmouth, nearly 50% in the money. it took the next closest guy with comparable starts 200 more mounts to beat his earnings.

http://www.equibase.com/premium/eqbT...&CY=USA&STAT=J

[LARHAGE]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Gomez wasn't an also ran at Saratoga.











He was an also ran at Monmouth. On pure ability you can't even compare the two. Dominguez is far better than Gomez. Both guys get the best mounts, the diffference is Ramon wins on them....Gomez....not so much.

Lets not even compare each riders big wins last year, don't embarass yourself. I'll give you Ramon rides many more winners, but also many more horses, like 700 a year more, yet barely beats him in earnings, you know why? One wins the big races, one not so much.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by LARHAGE

Lets not even compare each riders big wins last year, don't embarass yourself. I'll give you Ramon rides many more winners, but also many more horses, like 700 a year more, yet barely beats him in earnings, you know why? One wins the big races, one not so much.

It's also because they are at different points in their career. Gomez is at the point where he can choose not to ride certain races. Dominguez isn't there yet, but he's pretty close.

I think Gomez is a very good rider and his performance during Breeders Cup weekend was great, since he was riding with basically one arm. But Dominguez had a better year.

[FATPIANO]

Not a fan of Ramon , ever since he cost me 40,000 on Scrappy T in The Preakness, he blew the turn and cost me a 100 DD Pimlico Special/Preakness Double.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by FATPIANO

Not a fan of Ramon , ever since he cost me 40,000 on Scrappy T in The Preakness, he blew the turn and cost me a 100 DD Pimlico Special/Preakness Double.

OK, WTF are you talking about? If you think Scrappy T was the best horse in that Preakess you are out of your mind.

[gaut10]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

It's also because they are at different points in their career. Gomez is at the point where he can choose not to ride certain races. Dominguez isn't there yet, but he's pretty close.

I think Gomez is a very good rider and his performance during Breeders Cup weekend was great, since he was riding with basically one arm. But Dominguez had a better year.

exactly

[eajinabi]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

It's also because they are at different points in their career. Gomez is at the point where he can choose not to ride certain races. Dominguez isn't there yet, but he's pretty close.

I think Gomez is a very good rider and his performance during Breeders Cup weekend was great, since he was riding with basically one arm. But Dominguez had a better year.

What defined his better year than gomez?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

What defined his better year than gomez?

He dominated the toughest colony in the country for the entire year. He understands pace and race setups better than anyone on the game IMO. He rode more winners than Gomez and earned more money riding than Gomez did in 2010.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

He dominated the toughest colony in the country for the entire year. He understands pace and race setups better than anyone on the game IMO. He rode more winners than Gomez and earned more money riding than Gomez did in 2010.

Besides that.

[LARHAGE]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

He dominated the toughest colony in the country for the entire year. He understands pace and race setups better than anyone on the game IMO. He rode more winners than Gomez and earned more money riding than Gomez did in 2010.

Sorry Hoss, he rode significantly more horses than Gomez ( 700) and barely beat him in earnings, less than 500,000, Gomez barely rode over 700 horses the whole year and earned 16 million. He didn't win the Saratoga title so he didn't dominate all year, and sorry, what half way decent rider wouldn't dominate Aqueduct? This is beginning to sound eerily familiar, next we're going to hear he did more for the game. I think the thing that sepeartes truly great riders from mere good riders are winning the big races, that is much more important tp me than winning riding titles, but again, that is just my opinion, I certainly respect yours, just saying.

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by LARHAGE

Lets not even compare each riders big wins last year, don't embarass yourself. I'll give you Ramon rides many more winners, but also many more horses, like 700 a year more, yet barely beats him in earnings, you know why? One wins the big races, one not so much.

yeah, but one throws in alot of bad rides and the other....not so much.....

[LARHAGE]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

yeah, but one throws in alot of bad rides and the other....not so much.....

I've seen a few.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by LARHAGE

Lets not even compare each riders big wins last year, don't embarass yourself. I'll give you Ramon rides many more winners, but also many more horses, like 700 a year more, yet barely beats him in earnings, you know why? One wins the big races, one not so much.

Let me ask you a question ( and I personally like Garrett as well as you ), do you think a jockey should be rewarded for riding pretty much only for certain outfits, mostly high profile, and in big races, while intentionally not riding for many cheaper outfits and in smaller pursed races over one that rides every day, in many races a day, often very cheap races ( in purse and quality ), for anybody and everybody, while forming no allegiances to any big outfits....and beats the former rider for specific riding titles?

Let me add something else....Ramon Dominguez rode NO HORSE in the Cigar Mile because he knew the connections of Haynesfield and a Dutrow longshot both wanted him, he had ridden both in their prior races, and he didn't want to be unfair to either participant. Do you think, and be honest, that Garrett would have done the same thing? No, this doesn't play into an Eclipse award discussion, save that perhaps Haynesfield would have won the Cigar ( surely Ramon would have chosen him ), and Ramon would have won another Grade 1 and more money.

[LARHAGE]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Let me ask you a question ( and I personally like Garrett as well as you ), do you think a jockey should be rewarded for riding pretty much only for certain outfits, mostly high profile, and in big races, while intentionally not riding for many cheaper outfits and in smaller pursed races over one that rides every day, in many races a day, often very cheap races ( in purse and quality ), for anybody and everybody, while forming no allegiances to any big outfits....and beats the former rider for specific riding titles?

Let me add something else....Ramon Dominguez rode NO HORSE in the Cigar Mile because he knew the connections of Haynesfield and a Dutrow longshot both wanted him, he had ridden both in their prior races, and he didn't want to be unfair to either participant. Do you think, and be honest, that Garrett would have done the same thing? No, this doesn't play into an Eclipse award discussion, save that perhaps Haynesfield would have won the Cigar ( surely Ramon would have chosen him ), and Ramon would have won another Grade 1 and more money.

Andy, and if he had won the Cigar it would have only made 6 Grade 1. I know what you are saying to an extent, but any way you look at it Ramon is not riding crap, he rides for all the top trainers and all the best horses from the lesser trainers, he is always on a top mount, Gomez did not have one single major barn he rode for, Baffert pulled that crap with Lucky, Pletcher used Castellano as much if not more than Garrett and his main number one trainer died! ( Frankel) Garrett rode fewer horses for Clement and Dutrow than Ramon did, he rode a hodge podge for mutliple trainers, he rode absolute filth the majority of the time at Belmont and Saratoga, hell not one of his Breeders Cup races were favored, I just think that Garrett had a much better year, and not even close really.