NFL Coaching Changes: Who Should, Who Should Go

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Durr they won two in a row after losing 11 out of 13, give that man a raise!

Your arguments are ridiculous. I don't care if he was coaching the Bad News Bears, he's made absolutely no progress from his good start and should be fired. I'm willing to bet you didn't see either of their losses to the Bucs and Saints. They were embarrassing defeats that were a direct result of terrible coaching.

I can't even believe you're still belaboring this absurd point that because the Bengals suck historically, he should be allowed to go 7-9 and 8-8 and 4-12 for the rest of infinity. That's complete loser bullshit.

Please stop. They are not ridiculous arguments. You disagree with my defense of marvin lewis which is fine. That's it. Nothing I said was ridiculous. I pretty much just stated facts. You think the facts support firing him. As I said, that's fine. I would keep him one more year as we don't know what will happen with the labor situation etc, and to jump on a new guy right now would be silly I think. You know what you have. If they lock out you lose nothing having Marvin one more year. It's the Bengals.

I did not see the Bucs game...I saw the end of the Saints game when the guy fell for the get them to jump offside ploy. (as is typical you left out 11-5, 10-6 seasons in your for rest of infinity argument...are you for real??)

[horseofcourse]

How many years do you give Ryan to get the Jets to the Super Bowl before you fire him?? I'm not being facetious or anything. It's just a question for you.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

How many years do you give Ryan to get the Jets to the Super Bowl before you fire him?? I'm not being facetious or anything. It's just a question for you.

Is this Cleveland humor?

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Is this Cleveland humor?

what's humorous about it?? I am asking a serious qeustion for ateam as to what would be his length of time not winning a Super Bowl to keep Ryan. It's very simple. 8 years, no Super Bowls, 2 playoffs, no wins is beyond obviously enough to fire Lewis as every single person who types on this board agrees with save me. There is obviously some set level as to when you fire a coach which I am unaware of. I am trying to educate myself. I want to know where that point lies with Ryan with the Jets. cowher went what 13 years before winning a Super Bowl?? Should the Steelers have waited that long??

Why is it so hard to answer a very simple question? As Jets fan, how long do you want to keep Ryan should he fail to win a Super Bowl....obviously if that happens it changes everything, but I'm just asking a very simple question, how long do you keep him if he doesn't do that?

You guys have proven that you are way, way, way, way smarter than me. I find it odd you can't educate someone stupid,l or if not stupid, someone who needs educated. It's a really simple question, that I think has a hard unsolvable answer. You guys have obviously solved it as it is unanimously time to fire Lewis. I am the singular person on this board who is not convinced it is absolutely time. You should know how long to give Ryan.

[horseofcourse]

You know, just help a person out here.
show me the....

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

what's humorous about it?? I am asking a serious qeustion for ateam as to what would be his length of time not winning a Super Bowl to keep Ryan. It's very simple. 8 years, no Super Bowls, 2 playoffs, no wins is beyond obviously enough to fire Lewis as every single person who types on this board agrees with save me. There is obviously some set level as to when you fire a coach which I am unaware of. I am trying to educate myself. I want to know where that point lies with Ryan with the Jets. cowher went what 13 years before winning a Super Bowl?? Should the Steelers have waited that long??

Why is it so hard to answer a very simple question? As Jets fan, how long do you want to keep Ryan should he fail to win a Super Bowl....obviously if that happens it changes everything, but I'm just asking a very simple question, how long do you keep him if he doesn't do that?

You guys have proven that you are way, way, way, way smarter than me. I find it odd you can't educate someone stupid,l or if not stupid, someone who needs educated. It's a really simple question, that I think has a hard unsolvable answer. You guys have obviously solved it as it is unanimously time to fire Lewis. I am the singular person on this board who is not convinced it is absolutely time. You should know how long to give Ryan.

I'll take this as a yes. Hilarious.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I'll take this as a yes. Hilarious.

You guys have no clue how to answer a simple question, which means there are likely different answers just as there are different answers as to whether the Bengals should fire Marvin Lewis. ateam is a complete simpleton who stated Marvin went 7-9, 8-8, 4-12 every season in Cincinnati and will for infinity because that's what he is. That is a flat out lie after I listed what he went every single season in Cincinnati. What would you simon's say if I stated Marvin went 11-5, and 10-6 all the time in Cincy?? It's ludicrous. You guys make ludicrous statements to bolster up how smart you are. I find it funny.

Hilarious?? Yes. There's George Carlin hilarious and three stooges hilarious. You and ateam fit where you fit. You're shemp and joe. You haven't quite yet reached Curly and Moe stage. Keep trying. (as a side note, I'm not saying I'm George Carlin as you will accuse me of, I am simply stating you're lesser stooges.)

[horseofcourse]

football ateam/dahoss style...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_ddO5ENtus

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

You guys have no clue how to answer a simple question, which means there are likely different answers just as there are different answers as to whether the Bengals should fire Marvin Lewis. ateam is a complete simpleton who stated Marvin went 7-9, 8-8, 4-12 every season in Cincinnati and will for infinity because that's what he is. That is a flat out lie after I listed what he went every single season in Cincinnati. What would you simon's say if I stated Marvin went 11-5, and 10-6 all the time in Cincy?? It's ludicrous. You guys make ludicrous statements to bolster up how smart you are. I find it funny.

Hilarious?? Yes. There's George Carlin hilarious and three stooges hilarious. You and ateam fit where you fit. You're shemp and joe. You haven't quite yet reached Curly and Moe stage. Keep trying. (as a side note, I'm not saying I'm George Carlin as you will accuse me of, I am simply stating you're lesser stooges.)

Someone's on tilt. It's funny, I haven't really paid much attention to you in years because you have a knack for saying really stupid things, often. Good to see nothing has changed.

I get it, you like to take the opposing side of an arguement, because you think you're some kind of expert in arguing. You're not. You're an idiot.

We live in a society now, where losing just isn't tolerated. You have to win or you aren't going to have your job for very long. Coaches know this, players know this and most fans seem to know it. I'm not sure why you don't, but as a fan of Cleveland sports, I understand why you are saddled with the loser mentality.

Lewis has gone 60-66-1 in his 8 years. He's made the playoffs twice and lost both games. Yes, he was an improvement from their last coach, but still not enough. Only a loser would look at his record and think he should stay as coach. Sometimes it's just time to move on. Lewis is an excellent defensive coordinator and might actually succeed somewhere else, but it's just not going to happen there.

I don't think Ateam has said Lewis should be fired for not winning a superbowl. I refuse to go back through this thread and read more of your idiocy, so I'm going with that premise. But he did say his overall record and 0 wins in the playoffs is enough reason. So your question about Rex Ryan doesn't really gel with the rest of the thread. It's you getting mad because you're bankrupt with ideas. But, the facts are Ryan has more playoff wins in one season (with a rookie QB) than Lewis has had. Jets are back in the playoffs in his second year. So far Ryan has been a tremendous success as a head coach. If they continue to perform and make the playoffs and get playoff wins, I see no reason for him to not have a job.

It's pretty simple....wins + playoff wins = job security

Del Rio stays

Mangini goes

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

what's humorous about it?? I am asking a serious qeustion for ateam as to what would be his length of time not winning a Super Bowl to keep Ryan. It's very simple. 8 years, no Super Bowls, 2 playoffs, no wins is beyond obviously enough to fire Lewis as every single person who types on this board agrees with save me. There is obviously some set level as to when you fire a coach which I am unaware of. I am trying to educate myself. I want to know where that point lies with Ryan with the Jets. cowher went what 13 years before winning a Super Bowl?? Should the Steelers have waited that long??

Why is it so hard to answer a very simple question? As Jets fan, how long do you want to keep Ryan should he fail to win a Super Bowl....obviously if that happens it changes everything, but I'm just asking a very simple question, how long do you keep him if he doesn't do that?

You guys have proven that you are way, way, way, way smarter than me. I find it odd you can't educate someone stupid,l or if not stupid, someone who needs educated. It's a really simple question, that I think has a hard unsolvable answer. You guys have obviously solved it as it is unanimously time to fire Lewis. I am the singular person on this board who is not convinced it is absolutely time. You should know how long to give Ryan.

Obviously, there was a big difference with Cowher and even Ryan for that matter. Ryan won his first playoff game ironically it was against Marvin Lewis. Cowher won multiple playoffs games, division titles and made a superbowl in those 13 years.

Who set the bar of success at superbowl? Heck, Marty Schott has never been to a superbowl and i think he's great.

8 years and zero playoff wins and only two trips to the playoffs. Ryan surpassed that in his first year. I think Cowher did that by his second. As a matter of fact, I can't think of ANY coach that has been 8 years on the same team without a playoff win with no previous success.

If he goes the next three seasons without any playoff wins, they might chase him. That run last year bought him a lot of capital.

Ryan, one season, two playoff wins. Marvin, 8 seasons, zero playoff wins. What am I missing here?