Derby-Oaks Weekend Beyers

[philcski]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

That isn't even remotely a " problem " with figures. Biases, should they actually exist ( ya know, unlike yesterday at Churchill ), aren't quantifiable.

Accurate final time speed figures do exactly what they purport to do. It is only misinformed people ( many of them, seemingly, internet posters ) that don't understand them and somehow blame them for things they simply are not.

There's a problem with the figures when they are made tragically poorly- like yesterday at Churchill. I don't know how anyone at DRF could defend making the Derby 3 points higher than the CDH when the raw figure was 12 points slower. It's a cop-out to defend a Derby which, on time, was flat out slow.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by philcski

There's a problem with the figures when they are made tragically poorly- like yesterday at Churchill. I don't know how anyone at DRF could defend making the Derby 3 points higher than the CDH when the raw figure was 12 points slower. It's a cop-out to defend a Derby which, on time, was flat out slow.

I'm wondering what that has to do with what I posted.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'm wondering what that has to do with what I posted.

You said accurate speed figures do exactly what they purport to do (I agree with you on this)- I was pointing out that these were not accurate relative to what Beyer had striven to achieve when he created them.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by philcski

You said accurate speed figures do exactly what they purport to do (I agree with you on this)- I was pointing out that these were not accurate relative to what Beyer had striven to achieve when he created them.

I don't get it.

I was referring to the notion of any relevence of track bias in speed figures.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I don't get it.

I was referring to the notion of any relevence of track bias in speed figures.

Fair enough.