Rachel Alexandra a go for La Troienne

[letswastemoney]

It's hard to be a Zenyatta fan and constantly have to hear from people that she's completely invincible and capable of no wrong.

I don't think most Rachel Alexandra fans believe she can definitively beat Zenyatta on dirt no matter what. The argument seems to be she "can" beat Zenyatta.

But for Zenyatta fans, there is no "can" or any other possibility. Zenyatta will win in their minds no matter what. So it's hard to like Z when some of her fans are that radical.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

It's hard to be a Zenyatta fan and constantly have to hear from people that she's completely invincible and capable of no wrong.

I don't think most Rachel Alexandra fans believe she can definitively beat Zenyatta on dirt no matter what. The argument seems to be she "can" beat Zenyatta.

But for Zenyatta fans, there is no "can" or any other possibility. Zenyatta will win in their minds no matter what. So it's hard to like Z when some of her fans are that radical.

Zenyatta has yet to run a race as fast as a few of Rachel's. There is no debate.

[TouchOfGrey]

So, since Zenyatta isn't running in the La Troienne...

Does anyone know who else Rachel will be facing? Have they done the draw yet?

[Port Conway Lane]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

It's hard to be a Zenyatta fan and constantly have to hear from people that she's completely invincible and capable of no wrong.

I don't think most Rachel Alexandra fans believe she can definitively beat Zenyatta on dirt no matter what. The argument seems to be she "can" beat Zenyatta.

But for Zenyatta fans, there is no "can" or any other possibility. Zenyatta will win in their minds no matter what. So it's hard to like Z when some of her fans are that radical.

Why should this matter to anyone ? There are radicals on both sides so what? Both horses are for the ages and should be respected and admired on their accomplishments and the excitement they bring to racing.

Originally Posted by Port Conway Lane

Why should this matter to anyone ? There are radicals on both sides so what? Both horses are for the ages and should be respected and admired on their accomplishments and the excitement they bring to racing.

That's the problem I have with both sides. That is debatable.

[Princess Doreen]

I've got this sneaking suspicion that neither R or Z will win the BC Classic.

[Port Conway Lane]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

That's the problem I have with both sides. That is debatable.

True. I simply can't recall too many years like the one Rachel had and careers like Zenyatta's. As far as Zenyatta is concerned, I've never called a horse beaten more times than I've called her out and been wrong every time.
Same thing in Rachel's Woodward. She had every right to lose that race.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

That's the problem I have with both sides. That is debatable.

Both are in the top 5-10 of my lifetime. That's good enough for me in terms of all time greats... your requirements to reach that level might be more stringent.

Originally Posted by philcski

Both are in the top 5-10 of my lifetime. That's good enough for me in terms of all time greats... your requirements to reach that level might be more stringent.

I'm talking about the history of the sport both male and female and assumed that's what he was talking about as well.

To me, Zenyatta is about 20 notches above Pepper's Pride. She'll have to run the table again this year and at least have 4 more races on dirt before I crown her an all-time great.

Synthetic surfaces are clown shoes. It may be exciting racing to most people but to me it's boring.

Rachel is only 4. She needs another year as well. Solid 3-year old campaign but I'll hold off on crowning her ass as well.

[DaTruth]

Shirreffs expresses his hesitation about Zenyatta crossing the Rockies again anytime soon, and the Zealots largely remain silent. Not a peep from the usual suspects. However, when a thread is started about Rachel running on Friday, the Zealots awaken and quickly turn the thread into a Rachel-bashing party. Can someone please explain to these people that Zenyatta's accomplishments will stand on their own merits, and their efforts to marginalize Rachel's accomplishments only make them appear even more foolish.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

Shirreffs expresses his hesitation about Zenyatta crossing the Rockies again anytime soon, and the Zealots largely remain silent. Not a peep from the usual suspects. However, when a thread is started about Rachel running on Friday, the Zealots awaken and quickly turn the thread into a Rachel-bashing party. Can someone please explain to these people that Zenyatta's accomplishments will stand on their own merits, and their efforts to marginalize Rachel's accomplishments only make them appear even more foolish.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

I'm talking about the history of the sport both male and female and assumed that's what he was talking about as well.

To me, Zenyatta is about 20 notches above Pepper's Pride. She'll have to run the table again this year and at least have 4 more races on dirt before I crown her an all-time great.

Synthetic surfaces are clown shoes. It may be exciting racing to most people but to me it's boring.

Rachel is only 4. She needs another year as well. Solid 3-year old campaign but I'll hold off on crowning her ass as well.

Originally Posted by DaTruth

Shirreffs expresses his hesitation about Zenyatta crossing the Rockies again anytime soon, and the Zealots largely remain silent. Not a peep from the usual suspects. However, when a thread is started about Rachel running on Friday, the Zealots awaken and quickly turn the thread into a Rachel-bashing party. Can someone please explain to these people that Zenyatta's accomplishments will stand on their own merits, and their efforts to marginalize Rachel's accomplishments only make them appear even more foolish.

Great posts.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

Shirreffs expresses his hesitation about Zenyatta crossing the Rockies again anytime soon, and the Zealots largely remain silent. Not a peep from the usual suspects. However, when a thread is started about Rachel running on Friday, the Zealots awaken and quickly turn the thread into a Rachel-bashing party. Can someone please explain to these people that Zenyatta's accomplishments will stand on their own merits, and their efforts to marginalize Rachel's accomplishments only make them appear even more foolish.

Saying Rachel is very good horse, but not necessarily a great one is termed bashing? As is believing Zenyatta is the superior horse regardless of the critaria one wants to use considered bashing? Explain to me how have the so called zealots bashed Rachel in this thread?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by philcski

Both are in the top 5-10 of my lifetime. That's good enough for me in terms of all time greats... your requirements to reach that level might be more stringent.

really? i think they're both good, but i can think of many in my lifetime that i hold in higher esteem. but maybe i'm just a lot older than you?!