2/20 (FG): Risen Star (G2); Mineshaft, FG H., SBD (G3's)

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Bias aided races on the inner, especially at two turns, should be taken with a grain of salt. What were his prior excuses?

Discreetly Mine is much faster early.

I would imagine they'd try to rate DM. I don't think he wants to stretch out at all, but he has no shot if he uses his early speed.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Betsy

I would imagine they'd try to rate DM. I don't think he wants to stretch out at all, but he has no shot if he uses his early speed.

So it would be better to take him out of his element and try to rate?

I also don't understand why you continue to state so plainly that he doesn't want to stretch out. Are you basing it on his 2nd place finish in the Champagne where he forced a hot pace? Super Saver didn't even stay the course that day after contesting the pace with DM.

NT

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

So it would be better to take him out of his element and try to rate?

I also don't understand why you continue to state so plainly that he doesn't want to stretch out. Are you basing it on his 2nd place finish in the Champagne where he forced a hot pace? Super Saver didn't even stay the course that day after contesting the pace with DM.

NT

I'm basing it on that, in part. Even if I thought he could go long, he's not that good (and believe me, I wish I didn't think so). Yeah, he beat Super Saver twice, but that means nothing now. SS has developed and DM hasn't. Also, he always seems to have excuses. First in the Futurity and then in the Champagne. I don't recall him forcing the pace in that race - I recall him being a few lengths off it. Are you saying you like this horse for the Derby? The same colt who battled with Eightyfiveinafifty (I think that's his name, sorry if I'm mistaken) and lost that duel in the Dublin maiden race? I'm just not sure what some see in him, that's all.