2/20 (FG): Risen Star (G2); Mineshaft, FG H., SBD (G3's)

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by Danzig

trainer doesn't seem upset about hoteps post-with the race being 1 1/16th, i don't think the post is something the horse can't deal with. as for discreetly mine, being by mineshaft i don't know why you'd worry about him stretching out.

I read Frostad's quotes - did they come before or after the draw? In any case, I guess it doesn't matter. A bad post shouldn't hinder the colt from at least running well - it's not like he has to win.

As far as Discreetly Mine goes, Mineshaft has been such a disappointment as a sire that, to me, the fact that he was a router doesn't mean that much. I know you know that not every offspring by a sire takes after that sire - AP Indy has sired sprinter/milers in his career. I did like DM last year, but I really thought his Spectacular Bid was mediocre - at no point did he show anything. He also doesn't look like a horse that will stretch out; to me, he's at best a miler, but I really don't think he wants more than 7 furlongs. I don't expect much from him in this race.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Betsy

I read Frostad's quotes - did they come before or after the draw? In any case, I guess it doesn't matter. A bad post shouldn't hinder the colt from at least running well - it's not like he has to win.

As far as Discreetly Mine goes, Mineshaft has been such a disappointment as a sire that, to me, the fact that he was a router doesn't mean that much. I know you know that not every offspring by a sire takes after that sire - AP Indy has sired sprinter/milers in his career. I did like DM last year, but I really thought his Spectacular Bid was mediocre - at no point did he show anything. He also doesn't look like a horse that will stretch out; to me, he's at best a miler, but I really don't think he wants more than 7 furlongs. I don't expect much from him in this race.

i know it's not just according to sire-but the horses dam isn't exactly lacking in the stamina dept, nor was his half brother discreet cat. of course none of that means the horse can win this. but i don't see a reason at this point to say he's a sure sprinter.

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i know it's not just according to sire-but the horses dam isn't exactly lacking in the stamina dept, nor was his half brother discreet cat. of course none of that means the horse can win this. but i don't see a reason at this point to say he's a sure sprinter.

That's all true, but the horse doesn't look to me like he wants to go on. Since I don't think he's that good and I expect very little from him in the Risen Star, it will be hard to tell from that race whether he chucks it because he can't go long or because he's a mediocre talent. Possibly he could go longer against suspect competition? I admit his race in the Spectacular Bid turned me off DM quite a bit, but I still thought before hand he was a sprinter.