DT FOCUS (1/14-GP 9): 7f MSW -- Odysseus (85 Beyer)

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

When you try to name three good dirt horses by a six-figure sire, and those are the three you come up with, he's not been productive on dirt.

Not my favorite dirt sire BUT Hold Me Back is ok on dirt and so is First Passage. My point was he has had enough success not to discount him as JUST a turf producer.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Not my favorite dirt sire BUT Hold Me Back is ok on dirt and so is First Passage. My point was he has had enough success not to discount him as JUST a turf producer.

One suck up 2nd on dirt doesn't make Hold Me Back ok on dirt.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Not my favorite dirt sire BUT Hold Me Back is ok on dirt and so is First Passage. My point was he has had enough success not to discount him as JUST a turf producer.

Considering how many chances he's had to throw a true star on dirt and the best he's done is Swift Temper/First Samurai/Giant Moon/Hold Me Back/First Passage, I'd say he's pretty much a turf/synthetic sire. Either that or he sucks in general.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Considering how many chances he's had to throw a true star on dirt and the best he's done is Swift Temper/First Samurai/Giant Moon/Hold Me Back/First Passage, I'd say he's pretty much a turf/synthetic sire. Either that or he sucks in general.

He has at least 2 serious dirt derby contenders this year.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Considering how many chances he's had to throw a true star on dirt and the best he's done is Swift Temper/First Samurai/Giant Moon/Hold Me Back/First Passage, I'd say he's pretty much a turf/synthetic sire. Either that or he sucks in general.

The point AGAIN was not to laud the horse the second coming of Mr. P.. Giants Causeway has been a better turf stallion to date BUT he can certainly get a quality dirt runner

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by freddymo

The point AGAIN was not to laud the horse the second coming of Mr. P.. Giants Causeway has been a better turf stallion to date BUT he can certainly get a quality dirt runner

And my point again is that compared to the height of his fee and the kind of mares he's gotten, he's been a relative failure on dirt. So in the case of City Wolf, with a horse that's going to be 4-1 in a salty maiden field that he's no better than, I'll take the horses that are more likely to be legitimate dirt horses.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

And my point again is that compared to the height of his fee and the kind of mares he's gotten, he's been a relative failure on dirt. So in the case of City Wolf, with a horse that's going to be 4-1 in a salty maiden field that he's no better than, I'll take the horses that are more likely to be legitimate dirt horses.

I guess your pitching the Stormy Atlantic.. City Wolf has run twice on dirt, I am not saying he would or wouldnt be better on grass just that there is plenty to go on without considering if GCauseway means anything in todays race..

The fav is a cinch away unless...Jerkins to Dutrow you do the math unless one of these FTS's is a Curlin type

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

the brown 10 day of destiny is the goods.looks like they have been planning this start sence toga...if not the 4 imo

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by freddymo

The fav is a cinch away unless...Jerkins to Dutrow you do the math unless one of these FTS's is a Curlin type

He was under Dutrow in his last start when he ran third at 1-1. I don't think Jimmy Jerkens is a guy it's very easy to move up off of.