DT FOCUS (1/14-GP 9): 7f MSW -- Odysseus (85 Beyer)

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

His chances of being good on dirt were minimal being by that sire, right?

NT

Yeah because Swift Temper, First Sam, and Giant Moon sucked on dirt?

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Yeah because Swift Temper, First Sam, and Giant Moon sucked on dirt?

Fredo, you have to be familiar with the poster above and his affinity for this particular sire.

NT

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Yeah because Swift Temper, First Sam, and Giant Moon sucked on dirt?

When you try to name three good dirt horses by a six-figure sire, and those are the three you come up with, he's not been productive on dirt.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

When you try to name three good dirt horses by a six-figure sire, and those are the three you come up with, he's not been productive on dirt.

Agreed

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

When you try to name three good dirt horses by a six-figure sire, and those are the three you come up with, he's not been productive on dirt.

Not my favorite dirt sire BUT Hold Me Back is ok on dirt and so is First Passage. My point was he has had enough success not to discount him as JUST a turf producer.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Not my favorite dirt sire BUT Hold Me Back is ok on dirt and so is First Passage. My point was he has had enough success not to discount him as JUST a turf producer.

One suck up 2nd on dirt doesn't make Hold Me Back ok on dirt.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Not my favorite dirt sire BUT Hold Me Back is ok on dirt and so is First Passage. My point was he has had enough success not to discount him as JUST a turf producer.

Considering how many chances he's had to throw a true star on dirt and the best he's done is Swift Temper/First Samurai/Giant Moon/Hold Me Back/First Passage, I'd say he's pretty much a turf/synthetic sire. Either that or he sucks in general.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Considering how many chances he's had to throw a true star on dirt and the best he's done is Swift Temper/First Samurai/Giant Moon/Hold Me Back/First Passage, I'd say he's pretty much a turf/synthetic sire. Either that or he sucks in general.

He has at least 2 serious dirt derby contenders this year.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Considering how many chances he's had to throw a true star on dirt and the best he's done is Swift Temper/First Samurai/Giant Moon/Hold Me Back/First Passage, I'd say he's pretty much a turf/synthetic sire. Either that or he sucks in general.

The point AGAIN was not to laud the horse the second coming of Mr. P.. Giants Causeway has been a better turf stallion to date BUT he can certainly get a quality dirt runner

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by freddymo

The point AGAIN was not to laud the horse the second coming of Mr. P.. Giants Causeway has been a better turf stallion to date BUT he can certainly get a quality dirt runner

And my point again is that compared to the height of his fee and the kind of mares he's gotten, he's been a relative failure on dirt. So in the case of City Wolf, with a horse that's going to be 4-1 in a salty maiden field that he's no better than, I'll take the horses that are more likely to be legitimate dirt horses.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

And my point again is that compared to the height of his fee and the kind of mares he's gotten, he's been a relative failure on dirt. So in the case of City Wolf, with a horse that's going to be 4-1 in a salty maiden field that he's no better than, I'll take the horses that are more likely to be legitimate dirt horses.

I guess your pitching the Stormy Atlantic.. City Wolf has run twice on dirt, I am not saying he would or wouldnt be better on grass just that there is plenty to go on without considering if GCauseway means anything in todays race..

The fav is a cinch away unless...Jerkins to Dutrow you do the math unless one of these FTS's is a Curlin type

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

When you try to name three good dirt horses by a six-figure sire, and those are the three you come up with, he's not been productive on dirt.

Who was that horse that ran second to Tiago at Oaklawn? He was a freakshow and it was a tragedy he got hurt.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Who was that horse that ran second to Tiago at Oaklawn? He was a freakshow and it was a tragedy he got hurt.

Heatseeker? Every major stakes he won was on synthetic and he was G1-placed on turf in Ireland.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Heatseeker? Every major stakes he won was on synthetic and he was G1-placed on turf in Ireland.

His Oaklawn race was really good, kinda like Zenyattas... Plus like half the people around here say Tiago would have been a freak on dirt, so losing to him with I think a 107 beyer is not that bad.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

His Oaklawn race was really good, kinda like Zenyattas... Plus like half the people around here say Tiago would have been a freak on dirt, so losing to him with I think a 107 beyer is not that bad.

So now we're calling Heatseeker a dirt horse because he ran second to a horse that people on DT say would've been a freak on dirt. Got it.

The bottom line is Giant's Causeway has five million-dollar earners, and Swift Temper's the only one who was a bona fide dirt horse. And as much as I like her, she wasn't exactly historically fast.

[Sightseek]

I never thought I would see the word 'freak' in the same sentence as Tiago.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Plus like half the people around here say Tiago would have been a freak on dirt, so losing to him with I think a 107 beyer is not that bad.

Where's the LMFAO smiley?

[cakes44]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Plus like half the people around here say Tiago would have been a freak on dirt, so losing to him with I think a 107 beyer is not that bad.

If by "freak" you mean a bottom of the exotics filler in real races, then yes, count me in the group of "half the people around here."