DT FOCUS (1/14-GP 9): 7f MSW -- Odysseus (85 Beyer)

[ateamstupid]

City Wolf needs grass.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

City Wolf needs grass.

Highly doubt that, I like him today.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Highly doubt that, I like him today.

Toss.

Next.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

City Wolf needs grass.

His chances of being good on dirt were minimal being by that sire, right?

NT

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

His chances of being good on dirt were minimal being by that sire, right?

NT

Yeah because Swift Temper, First Sam, and Giant Moon sucked on dirt?

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Yeah because Swift Temper, First Sam, and Giant Moon sucked on dirt?

Fredo, you have to be familiar with the poster above and his affinity for this particular sire.

NT

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Yeah because Swift Temper, First Sam, and Giant Moon sucked on dirt?

When you try to name three good dirt horses by a six-figure sire, and those are the three you come up with, he's not been productive on dirt.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

When you try to name three good dirt horses by a six-figure sire, and those are the three you come up with, he's not been productive on dirt.

Agreed

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

When you try to name three good dirt horses by a six-figure sire, and those are the three you come up with, he's not been productive on dirt.

Not my favorite dirt sire BUT Hold Me Back is ok on dirt and so is First Passage. My point was he has had enough success not to discount him as JUST a turf producer.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Not my favorite dirt sire BUT Hold Me Back is ok on dirt and so is First Passage. My point was he has had enough success not to discount him as JUST a turf producer.

One suck up 2nd on dirt doesn't make Hold Me Back ok on dirt.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Not my favorite dirt sire BUT Hold Me Back is ok on dirt and so is First Passage. My point was he has had enough success not to discount him as JUST a turf producer.

Considering how many chances he's had to throw a true star on dirt and the best he's done is Swift Temper/First Samurai/Giant Moon/Hold Me Back/First Passage, I'd say he's pretty much a turf/synthetic sire. Either that or he sucks in general.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Considering how many chances he's had to throw a true star on dirt and the best he's done is Swift Temper/First Samurai/Giant Moon/Hold Me Back/First Passage, I'd say he's pretty much a turf/synthetic sire. Either that or he sucks in general.

He has at least 2 serious dirt derby contenders this year.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Considering how many chances he's had to throw a true star on dirt and the best he's done is Swift Temper/First Samurai/Giant Moon/Hold Me Back/First Passage, I'd say he's pretty much a turf/synthetic sire. Either that or he sucks in general.

The point AGAIN was not to laud the horse the second coming of Mr. P.. Giants Causeway has been a better turf stallion to date BUT he can certainly get a quality dirt runner

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

When you try to name three good dirt horses by a six-figure sire, and those are the three you come up with, he's not been productive on dirt.

Who was that horse that ran second to Tiago at Oaklawn? He was a freakshow and it was a tragedy he got hurt.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Who was that horse that ran second to Tiago at Oaklawn? He was a freakshow and it was a tragedy he got hurt.

Heatseeker? Every major stakes he won was on synthetic and he was G1-placed on turf in Ireland.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Heatseeker? Every major stakes he won was on synthetic and he was G1-placed on turf in Ireland.

His Oaklawn race was really good, kinda like Zenyattas... Plus like half the people around here say Tiago would have been a freak on dirt, so losing to him with I think a 107 beyer is not that bad.