Who Will Be The Pace Setter In The Derby?

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by CSC

Question to all...I've been reading that Join The Dance will be entered to ensure a fast pace for Dunkirk. My question is will it matter... 24.40, :49.06 and 1:13.31 in the Bluegrass indicates to me he is not even fast enough to get near the lead. Unless Decarlo is sent out with instructions to be a sacrificial lamb, I don't see this horse impacting the dynamics of the race. Is he faster on dirt?

I'm pretty sure he can run faster than that if needed...

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

I'm pretty sure he can run faster than that if needed...

Suddenly this horse becomes an interest in the derby because of what he may or may not do.

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by CSC

Suddenly this horse becomes an interest in the derby because of what he may or may not do.

Any horse who could have an impact on the pace of a horse race should be of interest.

He's not going to make them go 21 4/5's but he's not going to allow RR to sneak away and go 49 4/5's either.

Add to this equation the two-furlong straight run to the turn, the 150k screaming fans and it makes it interesting.

[Travis Stone]

Forgot my eye rolll...

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Forgot my eye rolll...

If he is a sacrificial lamb, I got a few questions for the owner...why enter? If he is legitimately trying to win the race I don't see him impacting the race all that much, and yes the reason I am asking is because Regal Ransom is rising on my list.

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by CSC

If he is a sacrificial lamb, I got a few questions for the owner...why enter? If he is legitimately trying to win the race I don't see him impacting the race all that much, and yes the reason I am asking is because Regal Ransom is rising on my list.

So you're discounting JITD's early speed just because you like Regal Ransom?

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

So you're discounting JITD's early speed just because you like Regal Ransom?

My projection in this derby is if they have the usual track set up for derby day, if Regal Ransom runs a 23 and change 1st 1/4 and a 47 and change half, he will be very tough to run down. Obcourse if you have someone pushing him through a 22 and 46 splits his chances will be far lesser in winning this derby. I think a 23 - 47 - 1:11 puts him right there. Once again I wasn't high on him until I really started to view his races from Dubai, and the DWC day race though not hurt by the speed bias was legitimate in the nature it was run in my opinion.

[tjfla]

Isn't Join in the Dance a Pletcher horse like Dunkirk??? He gets out fast and Dunkirk is a CLOSER.

Honestly fits well. Join in the Dance gets out fast and Dunkirk picks up the pieces

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

I'm pretty sure he can run faster than that if needed...

yea he's run sub 22 quarters and sub 45 halves

a real speed horse like Z Day blew him away, he might be too cheap to set the pace if someone better actually wants to use horse to get it,

but Join In the Dance has been consistent as far as being a fairly quick starter from the gate as opposed to the type who breaks habitually slow and has to be rushed up with urging.