Who Will Be The Pace Setter In The Derby?

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by CSC

With QR also out who's going to make the pace now? Regal Ransom or Papa Clem?

Join in the Dance joins the mix too.

[CSC]

2008 70 81 90 94 96 Big Brown
2007 77 86 92 93 96 Street Sense
2006 78 86 88 90 97 Barbaro
2005 86 92 95 95 93 Giacomo
2004 78 88 90 95 95 Smarty Jones
2003 74 84 89 94 96 Funny Cide
2002 68 79 84 92 98 War Emblem

Randy Moss pace analysis of previous derbies.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by CSC

2008 70 81 90 94 96 Big Brown
2007 77 86 92 93 96 Street Sense
2006 78 86 88 90 97 Barbaro
2005 86 92 95 95 93 Giacomo
2004 78 88 90 95 95 Smarty Jones
2003 74 84 89 94 96 Funny Cide
2002 68 79 84 92 98 War Emblem

Randy Moss pace analysis of previous derbies.

They go back to '92 here:

http://www.drf.com/tc/kentuckyderby/...cehistory.html

Lots of other cool stuff on the DRF Derby tabs too.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

According to Moss pace numbers ... that would mean ...

Fastest figure for 1/4 mile in Derby since '92: Spanish Chestnut

Fastest figure for 1/2 mile in Derby since '92: Songandaprayer

Fastest figure for 3/4 mile in Derby since '92: (tie) Songandaprayer & Spanish Chestnut

Fasest figure for 1 mile in Derby since '92: (tie) Unbridled's Song - and whoever was in front after a mile in '98 .. I think either Real Quiet or Indian Charlie

Fastest figure for final time since '92: Monarchos


Spanish Chestnut actually returned off a long layoff in his first start since the Derby and won a 6f race in 1:08 flat with a triple digit Beyer. He was a nice rabbit. He actually sold for 500K at OBS Feb 2yo sale - a lot of money for a son of Horse Chestnut out of a No Sale George mare who raced for a cheap tag at Calder. Giacomo owes him a big thank you.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

According to Moss pace numbers ... that would mean ...

Fastest figure for 1/4 mile in Derby since '92: Spanish Chestnut

Fastest figure for 1/2 mile in Derby since '92: Songandaprayer

Fastest figure for 3/4 mile in Derby since '92: (tie) Songandaprayer & Spanish Chestnut

Fasest figure for 1 mile in Derby since '92: (tie) Unbridled's Song - and whoever was in front after a mile in '98 .. I think either Real Quiet or Indian Charlie

Fastest figure for final time since '92: Monarchos


Spanish Chestnut actually returned off a long layoff in his first start since the Derby and won a 6f race in 1:08 flat with a triple digit Beyer. He was a nice rabbit. He actually sold for 500K at OBS Feb 2yo sale - a lot of money for a son of Horse Chestnut out of a No Sale George mare who raced for a cheap tag at Calder. Giacomo owes him a big thank you.

I wonder what happened to Spanish Chestnut? On another forum someone said he was made a stable pony.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Probably was.

He sure ruined any possible chance Bellamy Road could have ever had in that race.

Probably ruined Afleet Alex as well.

I thought Afleet Alex was being mismanaged and would have been a monster one-turn sprinter miler ...

I don't know if I thought that because he was defeated in each of his first three route attempts by the stellar trio of Proud Accolade, Wilko, and Greater Good.

Or maybe it was his Sprinter/miler pedigree combined with the fact he swerved like a drunken sailor to run down Devil's Disciple in the Hopeful.

Either way - great peice of training by Tim Ritchey. I was wrong on that call.

[CSC]

Interesting I didn't notice this before but I went back and took a look at Regal Ransom's races from Dubai and I concluded he is a much better horse than I first originally gave him credit for. I don't think the gap between him and Desert Party is as large as widely thought of and with this year's possible pace scenario, he's a very interesting horse.