Who will be the "wise guy" horse 5/3???

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Court Vision

[2Hot4TV]

Gayego.

Denis of Cork.

The trainer galloped...

[mclem10011]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Denis of Cork.

The trainer galloped...

I bowl, nice Norm Duke avatar!

[-BT-]

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

Court Vision

agree!!

-bt-

[ShadowRoll]

Obviously, Byk and White (and others in their cabal) are conspiring to make Smooth Air the wise guy horse.

[Gander]

I think its Gayego. His Arkansas race proved to a lot of people he isnt just a sprinter. Add in Mike Smith, a guy who rode the last big Derby surprise, if you will (Giacomo). His trainer is a fun guy to root for, a la Farda Amiga, not one of those arrogant asses we have become so accustomed to seeing on "the Big Stage."

Its really hard to find many knocks on him. The only one was he was only a polytrack (cushion) horse, but thats been debunked with his Ark win.

He can definetely win this race but probably wont be the overlay his backers wanted. Thinking he will go off between 10/1 and 15/1.

[Thunder Gulch]

Z Fortune. Everyone will watch that and see he ran a nice figure, looks to be improving, and is better suited for the 10f than Gayego with his style and the fact he had a wide trip at Arkansas.

Court Vision and DOC's works appear to have directed some attention their way.

[10 pnt move up]

Dennis of Cork will be a bit off the trip in the Illinois Derby and if this workout gets pub like it did here.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Dennis of Cork will be a bit off the trip in the Illinois Derby and if this workout gets pub like it did here.

I can't see him going off less than 40-1. Smooth Air seems like the wise guy horse to me. Probably should be 30-1 or more but will wind up going off at 12-1 to 15-1.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I can't see him going off less than 40-1. Smooth Air seems like the wise guy horse to me. Probably should be 30-1 or more but will wind up going off at 12-1 to 15-1.

Sheet players love him, he'll be a lot less than 40-1. Agree on Smooth Air's odds, however I think he's legit and one of the few truly talented horses in this field and a must include. Pedigree scares me away a bit but at least he's got a little stamina on the bottom.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I can't see him going off less than 40-1. Smooth Air seems like the wise guy horse to me. Probably should be 30-1 or more but will wind up going off at 12-1 to 15-1.

after Giacomo very few horses who have a graded win on their resume go off at 40/1.......I can see 15-1 to 20/1

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch

Z Fortune. Everyone will watch that and see he ran a nice figure, looks to be improving, and is better suited for the 10f than Gayego with his style and the fact he had a wide trip at Arkansas.

I agree 100%. Z Fortune looks like a "wise guy" horse to me. He was visually respectable through the final three furlongs in Arkansas, and his sire had a couple of wins in big 10f races. People will like that.

For me, he is a toss. He just ran by a couple of unimpressive 30/1 shots (Tres Borrachos and Isabull) at Oaklawn, and that doesn't impress me much. Also, despite Siphon's wins in two 10f G1s, his distance pedigree is actually pretty poor on both sides. I don't see him moving forward with the extra distance, and the loss of War Pass sure didn't help him at all.

[Gander]

I dont agree that Z Fortune is any better suited to the longer distance than Gayego. He wasnt getting to Gayego and if this were true it would have been a heck of a lot closer at the end. That said, I still like Z Fortune's chances a bit but not because of the added distance.