4/12 (KEE): Blue Grass (Gr. I)

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

totally agree, he did not run 1 step today, so basicely he's going into the derby off of a layoff of....almost 8 weeks, this race is a total total throw out, so now he in my mind has not raced since march 8th, where in my opinion he beat a weak group then, in a slow time.

i pray they bet this horse hard, i think he could run last.

Unless he gets hurt or something else REALLY strange happens during the race, there is absolutely no way that horse finishes last going 10f on the dirt against some of the ones that are sure to be entered in the race.

[HaloWishingwell]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Unless he gets hurt or something else REALLY strange happens during the race, there is absolutely no way that horse finishes last going 10f on the dirt against some of the ones that are sure to be entered in the race.

I don't expect him to finish last either but despite his terrible race ,he'll be terribly overbet by the wiseguys and perform below his expectations again.

[Danzig]

i would caution against completely tossing pyro in may.

war pass ran a remarkably bad race in the tampa bay derby, and came back to run a pretty strong race in the wood.

pyro has had nothing going wrong on dirt.

[HaloWishingwell]

True nothing has gone wrong for him on dirt but up to now he has handled all sorts of conditions. Fast or sloppy tracks PYRO has run good or creditable races. Yesterday was a disaster regardless of the track. He might rebound and be a trivia answer for the worst finish before a Derby but I'll bet against it and guess there's more to it.

No there isn't more to it. It's fairly simple to figure out.

Pyro is a dead closer. He didn't take to the track. He finished where dead closers finish on a surface they don't fancy.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

No there isn't more to it. It's fairly simple to figure out.

Pyro is a dead closer. He didn't take to the track. He finished where dead closers finish on a surface they don't fancy.

i agree. i mean, monba won. does anyone really think the bluegrass tells us anything about what will happen in three weeks??

[DCracing]

if all the big names are off the board, what does that say? i vote for tossing this race. and i am officially on the visionaire bandwagon! at least for the next 20 minutes...

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i agree. i mean, monba won. does anyone really think the bluegrass tells us anything about what will happen in three weeks??

The Bluegrass will not tell us anything. Last year with Street Sense told us the same thing.

[Danzig]

so, if curlin makes it to the bc classic and gets his bright red butt handed to him, how many will blame the switch to poly? i'd bet plenty.

poly is NOT dirt. i think the analogy above about putting kip deville vs curlin is right on. people have got to come to the realization that there are now three surfaces in this sport. not, turf and then dirt/poly. dirt and poly are not the same in any way. some can make the move, just like some can run on dirt and turf. but it's not a given.
you look at any pyro race before yesterday, what do you see? look at the poly sires list, who is missing?

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Danzig

so, if curlin makes it to the bc classic and gets his bright red butt handed to him, how many will blame the switch to poly? i'd bet plenty.

poly is NOT dirt. i think the analogy above about putting kip deville vs curlin is right on. people have got to come to the realization that there are now three surfaces in this sport. not, turf and then dirt/poly. dirt and poly are not the same in any way. some can make the move, just like some can run on dirt and turf. but it's not a given.
you look at any pyro race before yesterday, what do you see? look at the poly sires list, who is missing?

LOL at his bright red butt ...

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by HaloWishingwell

True nothing has gone wrong for him on dirt but up to now he has handled all sorts of conditions. Fast or sloppy tracks PYRO has run good or creditable races. Yesterday was a disaster regardless of the track. He might rebound and be a trivia answer for the worst finish before a Derby but I'll bet against it and guess there's more to it.

I dont think you will have to worry about the "Bounce factor" when Pyro runs next.

[Thunder Gulch]

It was terrible, but it was a surface he clearly hated. Would anyone be excited about backing Kip Deville or English Channel if they threw him out against Curlin and co on dirt? It's a rare animal indeed that can perfom at the top levels on all surfaces, but a bad performance on one not preferred can be excused. Now the question with Pyro is whether something is wrong, whether he isn't good, or whether he needs to get back on dirt to run his race. That's why they call it gambling and now you'll get some odds to help backing Pyro if you like him.