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Old 04-11-2008, 02:57 AM
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I think its rather foolish to send out an email to alot of people and not expect it to no get out, especially something as heart felt as that email.

This does not make the owner look bad at all IMO, he feels like he made a mistake, so what.
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Old 04-11-2008, 03:23 AM
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If only every owner were as humble as he is
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Old 04-11-2008, 07:54 AM
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As to the horse, it just shows what pace can do to the outcome.

Denis of Cork's run in the Southwest (Pace 112, Speed 94) was the trip of a lifetime. I'm not going to photoshop pictures with circles, but he sat well of a runoff leader going way, way too fast and just inherited the win when all those in front of him collapsed. He had a perfect scenario and got a whopping mid 90s Beyer.

In the Illinois Derby, he stayed in basically the same spot, but the pace was a slow for those type horses. When the jockey of Golden Spikes took back, it allowed the leader to cruise alone up front and he simply had too much left turning for home and was never going to be caught.

Now, I don't think the track was particularly biased, though speed certainly didn't hurt, but the race was biased due to the pace. Even so, how do you explain him getting beaten rather easily by Atoned?
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Old 04-11-2008, 08:18 AM
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I'm not going to photoshop pictures with circles
Sissy.

If you did so for the Southwest and Rebel - the horse you'd focus on with the pictures would have been Sierra Sunset.

Both of them had Sacred Journey running off - but Sierra Sunset was being pestered by sprinter Silver Edition and never allowed to rate - where in the Rebel Sierra Sunset had an excellent tactical position.

While Denis Of Cork rated off that crazy fast pace in the Southwest - he was still in mid-pack - in front of half the field.

To me, it's not so much that DoC had a great trip - his trip was no better than all but three horses in the race - it's that the strong early pace set him up and allowed him to run his "ceiling" final time speed figure.

Where as the slow paced Hawthorne race was like a short sprint - with the top two finishers getting a head-start - and him stuck wide while the winner was on the best footing inside.
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Old 04-11-2008, 08:36 AM
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I already mentioned the Sierra Sunset trip in one of your picture threads. Do pay attention son.

Denis of Cork did have a better trip than those behind him, but they all sucked anyway, so he had the best trip of those that mattered in the Southwest. I bet him that day (just look back at the favorites!) but did not come away very impressed.

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Sissy.
Where as the slow paced Hawthorne race was like a short sprint - with the top two finishers getting a head-start - and him stuck wide while the winner was on the best footing inside.
Isn't that what I said? But like I also said, it doesn't explain getting whipped by Atoned.

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Old 04-11-2008, 08:42 AM
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Isn't that what I said?
Sorry man...

If you'd have just used pictures to try and get your point across....

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Old 04-11-2008, 09:51 AM
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As to the horse, it just shows what pace can do to the outcome.

Denis of Cork's run in the Southwest (Pace 112, Speed 94) was the trip of a lifetime. I'm not going to photoshop pictures with circles, but he sat well of a runoff leader going way, way too fast and just inherited the win when all those in front of him collapsed. He had a perfect scenario and got a whopping mid 90s Beyer.

In the Illinois Derby, he stayed in basically the same spot, but the pace was a slow for those type horses. When the jockey of Golden Spikes took back, it allowed the leader to cruise alone up front and he simply had too much left turning for home and was never going to be caught.

Now, I don't think the track was particularly biased, though speed certainly didn't hurt, but the race was biased due to the pace. Even so, how do you explain him getting beaten rather easily by Atoned?

Why does it take 150 posts on this forum before we finally get a CORRECT interpretation of the obvious?
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Old 04-11-2008, 10:40 AM
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A Dubai company -- closely tied to the Royal Family, perhaps a Royal Family company -- buys Fasig Tipton -- and this is what people are talking about, LOL.

Much ado about nothing to me. I don't see the big deal at all.

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Old 04-11-2008, 10:45 AM
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Why does it take 150 posts on this forum before we finally get a CORRECT interpretation of the obvious?
We're a ponderous lot...
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Old 04-11-2008, 10:50 AM
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In the same respect, wouldn't it follow that Equidaily.com remove the direct link to the blog from their page, as well?
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Old 04-11-2008, 10:54 AM
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In the same respect, wouldn't it follow that Equidaily.com remove the direct link to the blog from their page, as well?
I've suggested that to Seth Merrow..
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Old 04-11-2008, 10:24 PM
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Why does it take 150 posts on this forum before we finally get a CORRECT interpretation of the obvious?
I thought the subject was the owner's admission
that he had done the wrong thing? You wanted
an interpretation of the race.

My interpretation of the thread concerned
an owner sending out an email to "friends"
apologizing for his horse's performance... How
the email got spread, and what this tells us
about Kasept's press buddy's responsibility,
as well as the something about the privacy
of email's.

I think it gives us some insight into owner's
who think they are trainers, but in reality
are oil businessmen.
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