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ShadowRoll 04-10-2008 02:21 PM

Denis of Cork's owner: My bad
 
V-e-r-y interestink.
http://paulmoranattheraces.blogspot....er-my-bad.html

Riot 04-10-2008 02:24 PM

Wow. Heartfelt. I feel for him.

Coach Pants 04-10-2008 02:27 PM

"Whaaaah the track wasn't fair."

Kasept 04-10-2008 02:30 PM

As you'll see by my comment on the Blog, that letter was NOT for the public but a private Email to Mr. Warren's circle of friends.. It got out to some members of the racing media and Moran has been irresponsible as can be using it in the way he has. When informed that the Email had been widely circulated, Mr. Warren asked those decent enough to call him to not make it public.

Riot 04-10-2008 02:33 PM

If that's the truth in it, then if Paul Moran had any -----, he'd do the right thing and take it down off his website.

Coach Pants 04-10-2008 02:35 PM

Thanks for the heads up, Steve.

*copy-paste-file-save as*

Scav 04-10-2008 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Pants
Thanks for the heads up, Steve.

*copy-paste-file-save as*

Exactly what I did Coach.....

He must have told everyone that could listen to place a bet on him, becuase that is a pretty hilarious email...

ShadowRoll 04-10-2008 02:40 PM

Just goes to show (although everyones's probably guilty of this at some time or another), never put anything out into the ether that you can't live with everyone knowing.

whodey17 04-10-2008 02:58 PM

I have no problem with this either. I love the fact that he admitted to his mistakes. At least he was a man and blamed himself.

ArlJim78 04-10-2008 03:00 PM

it was big of the guy to accept the blame, in a situation that obviously had to be a big letdown for many, but I don't buy his putting the blame on the track. if the horse can't handle that mild bit of adversity, a speed favoring track, it probably saved them from an even bigger disappointment in the derby.

earlier on the card I see a couple of route races on that day that had horses winning from 6 lengths off the pace, in another the horse came from 5th.

I remember last year it was Cobalt Blue who was supposedly brought low by the speed favoring Hawthorne strip when the reality turned out to be that Cobalt Blue was over-rated.

yeah it does favor speed, but why was DoC not even able to maintain his position in front of Atoned?

Sightseek 04-10-2008 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mumtaz
If that's the truth in it, then if Paul Moran had any -----, he'd do the right thing and take it down off his website.

That is a pretty shady thing for him to do to a private letter even if someone else had to hand it over in the first place. I feel bad for Mr. Warren, he obviously had a thought out reason for changing tactics with Denis and unfortunately they didn't work out. I know people will say what they will about a horses connections, but even the most genius trainer doesn't always end up with the result they hoped for come race day. We've all had our coulda, woulda, shoulda moments....it's too bad this had to occur now since going into the race on Saturday Denis was well regarded for the KY Derby.

the_fat_man 04-10-2008 03:10 PM

Whatever the situation with the private letter, it's compounded when one comes across misinformed in it.

He really needs to take a close look at the charts of the first 6 races and then decided whether he agrees with his initial bias assessment.

What cooked Denis was that final 1/8th in 12.12 immediately after a 24.05 4th qtr. Ole Denis backed up like a little bitch.

Nothing passed the last 3 splits of the race; however, DoC was 4th best, if that.

ShadowRoll 04-10-2008 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sightseek
That is a pretty shady thing for him to do to a private letter even if someone else had to hand it over in the first place. I feel bad for Mr. Warren, he obviously had a thought out reason for changing tactics with Denis and unfortunately they didn't work out. I know people will say what they will about a horses connections, but even the most genius trainer doesn't always end up with the result they hoped for come race day. We've all had our coulda, woulda, shoulda moments....it's too bad this had to occur now since going into the race on Saturday Denis was well regarded for the KY Derby.

Don't feel too sorry for Warren. I would guess that he made his choice despite the best advice of his trainer (at least Haskin implied as much in a recent column).
http://tcm.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=44473
On the other hand, I guess Derby fever hits everyone. It's just that with the wealthy, the symptoms are more grandiose.

Riot 04-10-2008 03:17 PM

Grandiose?

Warren seemed pretty humble to me.

Sightseek 04-10-2008 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mumtaz
Grandiose?

Warren seemed pretty humble to me.

LOL, I was thinking the same...

Riot 04-10-2008 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShadowRoll
Just goes to show (although everyones's probably guilty of this at some time or another), never put anything out into the ether that you can't live with everyone knowing.

If I have a possible KY Derby horse, and I pay your hotel and airfare so we can all get together in Louisville, then I screw it up, and I write you a depressed apology - I'd hope you would have the class not to put my private note to you out in public.

Manners. Ethics.

ShadowRoll 04-10-2008 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mumtaz
Grandiose?

Warren seemed pretty humble to me.

I meant that when you've got lots of money, your illusions may be larger and your mistakes more public. A regular joe might brag to his friends that he's doped out the Derby winner, and have to live it down with them if he falls flat. The owner of Derby contender, on the other hand, especially if he thinks he knows enough to call the the shots, will have to live down his flubs in the media, in the public eye.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mumtaz
If I have a possible KY Derby horse, and I pay your hotel and airfare so we can all get together in Louisville, then I screw it up, and I write you a depressed apology - I'd hope you would have the class not to put my private note to you out in public.

Manners. Ethics.

I agree. But you probably have a much nicer view of humanity than me.

slotdirt 04-10-2008 03:39 PM

$86,000 should go to show anybody who's never been to the Derby that dizang, do prices go up in Louisville during the first weekend of May!

That being said, this is why owners own and trainers train.

Coach Pants 04-10-2008 04:03 PM

Mr. Warren failed with the handling of this horse and that letter. He should've said he'll let the trainer make the decisions from here on out. He didn't. Doesn't he know that Carroll galloped Easy Goer fer christsakes!!?!


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