Denis of Cork's owner: My bad

[Riot]

Wow. Heartfelt. I feel for him.

"Whaaaah the track wasn't fair."

[Kasept]

As you'll see by my comment on the Blog, that letter was NOT for the public but a private Email to Mr. Warren's circle of friends.. It got out to some members of the racing media and Moran has been irresponsible as can be using it in the way he has. When informed that the Email had been widely circulated, Mr. Warren asked those decent enough to call him to not make it public.

[Riot]

If that's the truth in it, then if Paul Moran had any -----, he'd do the right thing and take it down off his website.

Thanks for the heads up, Steve.

*copy-paste-file-save as*

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Thanks for the heads up, Steve.

*copy-paste-file-save as*

Exactly what I did Coach.....

He must have told everyone that could listen to place a bet on him, becuase that is a pretty hilarious email...

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Mumtaz

If that's the truth in it, then if Paul Moran had any -----, he'd do the right thing and take it down off his website.

That is a pretty shady thing for him to do to a private letter even if someone else had to hand it over in the first place. I feel bad for Mr. Warren, he obviously had a thought out reason for changing tactics with Denis and unfortunately they didn't work out. I know people will say what they will about a horses connections, but even the most genius trainer doesn't always end up with the result they hoped for come race day. We've all had our coulda, woulda, shoulda moments....it's too bad this had to occur now since going into the race on Saturday Denis was well regarded for the KY Derby.

[the_fat_man]

Whatever the situation with the private letter, it's compounded when one comes across misinformed in it.

He really needs to take a close look at the charts of the first 6 races and then decided whether he agrees with his initial bias assessment.

What cooked Denis was that final 1/8th in 12.12 immediately after a 24.05 4th qtr. Ole Denis backed up like a little bitch.

Nothing passed the last 3 splits of the race; however, DoC was 4th best, if that.

[ShadowRoll]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

That is a pretty shady thing for him to do to a private letter even if someone else had to hand it over in the first place. I feel bad for Mr. Warren, he obviously had a thought out reason for changing tactics with Denis and unfortunately they didn't work out. I know people will say what they will about a horses connections, but even the most genius trainer doesn't always end up with the result they hoped for come race day. We've all had our coulda, woulda, shoulda moments....it's too bad this had to occur now since going into the race on Saturday Denis was well regarded for the KY Derby.

Don't feel too sorry for Warren. I would guess that he made his choice despite the best advice of his trainer (at least Haskin implied as much in a recent column).
http://tcm.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=44473
On the other hand, I guess Derby fever hits everyone. It's just that with the wealthy, the symptoms are more grandiose.

[Riot]

Grandiose?

Warren seemed pretty humble to me.

[ShadowRoll]

Just goes to show (although everyones's probably guilty of this at some time or another), never put anything out into the ether that you can't live with everyone knowing.

[whodey17]

I have no problem with this either. I love the fact that he admitted to his mistakes. At least he was a man and blamed himself.

[ArlJim78]

it was big of the guy to accept the blame, in a situation that obviously had to be a big letdown for many, but I don't buy his putting the blame on the track. if the horse can't handle that mild bit of adversity, a speed favoring track, it probably saved them from an even bigger disappointment in the derby.

earlier on the card I see a couple of route races on that day that had horses winning from 6 lengths off the pace, in another the horse came from 5th.

I remember last year it was Cobalt Blue who was supposedly brought low by the speed favoring Hawthorne strip when the reality turned out to be that Cobalt Blue was over-rated.

yeah it does favor speed, but why was DoC not even able to maintain his position in front of Atoned?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by ShadowRoll

Just goes to show (although everyones's probably guilty of this at some time or another), never put anything out into the ether that you can't live with everyone knowing.

If I have a possible KY Derby horse, and I pay your hotel and airfare so we can all get together in Louisville, then I screw it up, and I write you a depressed apology - I'd hope you would have the class not to put my private note to you out in public.

Manners. Ethics.

[Stall Mucker]

Bykman
Whether or not it was meant for public view or not, it was written and released. If the guy was just informing his friends he should have called. For good or bad someone released it.

Originally Posted by Kasept

As you'll see by my comment on the Blog, that letter was NOT for the public but a private Email to Mr. Warren's circle of friends.. It got out to some members of the racing media and Moran has been irresponsible as can be using it in the way he has. When informed that the Email had been widely circulated, Mr. Warren asked those decent enough to call him to not make it public.

[Riot]

As you'll see by my comment on the Blog,

I'm glad you made that comment. Needed to be said. And that e-mail is still up on the site.

You know ... if he had received this, Steve Haskin wouldn't have published it.

I know that the internet opens up everybody to immediate intimate scrutiny - heck, everything we've ever written here on this board is saved in some server. I've seen people I know make debacles of their reputation on internet lists, saying things they would never say in public or face to face.

But are class, empathy, respect, consideration, manners ... good taste ... just dead?

Am I a dinosaur?

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Steve, I need to know. Do the Warren's and/or David Carroll have pictures of you that you don't want out?

What Moran did with this Email was really bad, and I was shocked by the inappropriateness of it. Those that know the Warrens say they are as generous and gracious a set of owners as exist anywhere in the game. Many in the media got to know them during Saint Liam's run. Using that Email in a blog format and passing it off as a note to the public was intrusive, mean-spirited, and designed to humiliate, and I think Moran will regret having done it. It reflects very poorly on him.

[Payson Dave]

Originally Posted by Kasept

What Moran did with this Email was really bad, and I was shocked by the inappropriateness of it. Those that know the Warrens say they are as generous and gracious a set of owners as exist anywhere in the game. Many in the media got to know them during Saint Liam's run. Using that Email in a blog format and passing it off as a note to the public was intrusive, mean-spirited, and designed to humiliate, and I think Moran will regret having done it. It reflects very poorly on him.

I agree.....








......PP's line was still funny however

[Linny]

I read the letter on a different site early this week, before Moran posted it, so clearly it was "out there" already when Paul put it on his site.
I have no idea how it was leaked to media other than that some media members may have been on Mr Warren's email list. If something like that lands in the inbox of most members of the press, it will go public.

My alternate theory is that someone on the list, feeling sympathetic for his friend (Warren) and hearing the bashing going on early this week may have released it to show Warren's admission of responsibility to DOC's fans etc.

Good insight into an owner.

Is he a trainer?

Why the hell hire a trainer if you got the course
all mapped out? He may be gracious etc... but let him
get his butt a training license and do the work.

Hell let him lose weight and ride the damn horse.

Stick to what you do best, and let the professional
you hired do the job. What is Carroll, just a trainer
that never thinks about horses, just piddles around
while the owners do the training?

No need to hire Carroll or a jockey. Just do it
for yourself.

Hubris squared.

Notre Dame man; oil man. Enough said.
Start thinking about Coal gasification and
stay away from your horse.