Disqualified.......

[moses]

I know most of you guys play in tournaments but I do find it amusing to see how much conversation this has generated when it is a complete nonstory for anyone who doesn’t play in tournaments.

[blackthroatedwind]

Can't we all just please thank Vic for offering his "support" to this place?

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

If you're talking about Derby Trail. I've really tried to support that forum because I appreciate what Steve does for the industry.

However, it's impossible for me to contribute over there. No matter if I choose the highest of roads there's one guy that is just truly brutally hateful and that wears me and I expect many others down.

I don't for the life of me understand why Steve allows it.

His forum could be so much more and isn't because one bully is allowed to run roughshod.

Like PA correctly said I like to be in the middle of things and mix it up. I'm willing to do that there too. But it's totally impossible.

So I just stay away.

Too bad.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Can't we all just please thank Vic for offering his "support" to this place?

I wonder who he’s talking about

[jms62]

Originally Posted by moses

I know most of you guys play in tournaments but I do find it amusing to see how much conversation this has generated when it is a complete nonstory for anyone who doesn’t play in tournaments.

Quite a bit to unpack.

1. You have people on Twitter that always dislike Jonathan due to Race
2. You have people on Twitter that always bash public handicappers as if doing so puts them on his level (which is a joke).
3. You have people that are simply jealous of his success and how he has parlayed that
4. You have people that aren't in any of the above camps that are mad of the violation and they think he thought he was above them.

Get em all together and you have quite a bit of chatter.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by jms62

Quite a bit to unpack.

1. You have people on Twitter that always dislike Jonathan due to Race
2. You have people on Twitter that always bash public handicappers as if doing so puts them on his level (which is a joke).
3. You have people that are simply jealous of his success and how he has parlayed that
4. You have people that aren't in any of the above camps that are mad of the violation and they think he thought he was above them.

Get em all together and you have quite a bit of chatter.

I think this sums it up well.

[moses]

Originally Posted by jms62

Quite a bit to unpack.

1. You have people on Twitter that always dislike Jonathan due to Race
2. You have people on Twitter that always bash public handicappers as if doing so puts them on his level (which is a joke).
3. You have people that are simply jealous of his success and how he has parlayed that
4. You have people that aren't in any of the above camps that are mad of the violation and they think he thought he was above them.

Get em all together and you have quite a bit of chatter.

From what I’ve seen, this pretty much nails it.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

Isn't a fair and level playing field and total transparency important regardless of the format?

Even if you're not a tournament player. Shouldn't you care about the integrity of racing overall?

Not knocking.

Just don't quite understand.

JOMHO

When Vic starts talking about integrity you know the entire discussion has jumped the shark

[moses]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

Isn't a fair and level playing field and total transparency important regardless of the format?

Even if you're not a tournament player. Shouldn't you care about the integrity of racing overall?

Not knocking.

Just don't quite understand.

JOMHO

Of course I care about the integrity of racing overall. But speaking of the integrity of racing, haven’t you been a pretty big Baffert apologist recently? That situation seems like a bigger issue for racing than Jonathan Kinchen breaking the rules in a tournament that lots of people have never heard of.

[moses]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

Where do you get that stuff? I haven't said ANYTHING about Baffert, pro or con pretty much ever.

I do handicap his horses but that's the extent of it.

Maybe I’m mistaken then.

But I do note you chimed in on my comment about Kinchen so if you’ve never said anything about Baffert then…I don’t know. Seems odd to lecture me on integrity if you’ve never said anything about Baffert, pro or con.

[Dahoss]

Vic has no business lecturing anyone on integrity. He has none.

This is the guy that had a trainer make a formal complaint about him because the trainer felt a rider Vic was representing stiffed his horse and after the race Vic tried to broker a deal to purchase said horse.

This is the guy, who after Michael Wrona was hired as announcer for the California Fairs, wrote a letter to the powers that be to rethink their decision and hire him. He even offered to do the job for free.

This is a guy who got his rocks off bullying a lesser known announcer on another board.

I could go on and on...

[Dahoss]

Well, that post was already posted in this thread dummy. But I'm glad you reposted because it sums you up well.

Say what you want about me, I already live rent free in your head, so I don't care. But was the shot at Steve necessary? What did he do exactly?

Everything I posted was true. You know it. And that's been your issue with me for years. You portray yourself in one way, when the truth is...you're a scumbag.

I'm glad I wear you down. You represent much that is wrong with our sport and the day you're out of it will be a glorious day.

Now run along to your safe space where you still have a few people fooled.

[Dahoss]

Here we go with the victim routine. Poor you.

You said this wasn't a real board. If that isn't a shot at Steve, what is it exactly?

You embarrass the sport that has provided you with a livelihood every time you hit "submit reply."

Everything with you is self serving. These "woe is me" posts are no different. Your opinions on the Kinchen situation is all about you and how you think he and someone else treated you.

Again, everything I posted was factual and you know it. I could've posted so much more. I showed some restraint. I won't always be that nice.

[Dahoss]

You don't care what I do or say, but you're crying about me on other boards.

Makes sense.

Meanwhile, Steve gets insulted by you, because you're ashamed of your behavior and don't like it when a member of his board brings it up. I suppose somewhere in your head it makes some sense, but a real human doesn't see the logic there.

You're an embarrassment to the sport Vic. You really are. Everything I posted was true. You have no business discussing anyone's integrity because you have shown time and time again you have none.

Again, there is no disputing that and I actually respect that you're not trying to. It's a bitch move to play the victim, but we both know your ego won't allow you to just shut up.