2019 Derby Trail: Bourbon War brings Belmont field to 10

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

I've heard it's more of a big choke than a little cough...You know, the notion of being exposed and all....

Can you be exposed when you were 70-1 and ran maybe the 3rd or 4th best race when you got moved up?

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Can you be exposed when you were 70-1 and ran maybe the 3rd or 4th best race when you got moved up?

Hossy, how many sides of this are you going to take? First it's "WoW and LRT were completely compromised, thus were cost placings, thus the takedown AND placing of MS to 17th was warranted.

Now, the interference had nothing to do with CR's trip and he was the 3rd or 4th best?

C'mon Man.

It's one or the other.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Hossy, how many sides of this are you going to take? First it's "WoW and LRT were completely compromised, thus were cost placings, thus the takedown AND placing of MS to 17th was warranted.

Now, the interference had nothing to do with CR's trip and he was the 3rd or 4th best?

C'mon Man.

It's one or the other.

How is it one or the other? I’ve been very consistent. I’ve maintained throughout that CH wasn’t impacted. But he finished 2nd. So he was moved up because MS fouled WoW and LRT and cost them their chance at 2nd-4th.

It’s pretty obvious MS ran a better race than CH. I thought ground loss considered so did Game Winner and maybe WoW.

You’ve watched enough races to know very often the “best” horse doesn’t always win.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

How is it one or the other? I’ve been very consistent. I’ve maintained throughout that CH wasn’t impacted. But he finished 2nd. So he was moved up because MS fouled WoW and LRT and cost them their chance at 2nd-4th.

It’s pretty obvious MS ran a better race than CH. I thought ground loss considered so did Game Winner and maybe WoW.

You’ve watched enough races to know very often the “best” horse doesn’t always win.

Okay, I’ll play.
In your estimation, and considering each trip on it’s own merit - What would have been the order of finish barring the infraction? If you say Country House would have been in the super, I know you’re jus’ trollin’

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Okay, I’ll play.
In your estimation, and considering each trip on it’s own merit - What would have been the order of finish barring the infraction? If you say Country House would have been in the super, I know you’re jus’ trollin’

Just out of curiosity, when did the expected order of finish, a VERY slippery slope to ask Stewards to decide by the way, become the deciding factor?

If War of Will ( I hate abbreviations of horse's names ) had gone down, do you think a disqualification would have been warranted?

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Just out of curiosity, when did the expected order of finish, a VERY slippery slope to ask Stewards to decide by the way, become the deciding factor?

If War of Will ( I hate abbreviations of horse's names ) had gone down, do you think a disqualification would have been warranted?

It has nothing to do with hypotheticals. I was attempting to make a the point that the infraction occurred at a point of call in the race where it was literally impossible to determine if said infraction impacted the logical outcome of the race.

Or what Andy Breyer said.

Which, I’m admittedly paraphrasing, but yeah.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

It has nothing to do with hypotheticals. I was attempting to make a the point that the infraction occurred at a point of call in the race where it was literally impossible to determine if said infraction impacted the logical outcome of the race.

Or what Andy Breyer said.

Which, I’m admittedly paraphrasing, but yeah.

Right, which is why he had to come down. How can you not see that?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Okay, I’ll play.
In your estimation, and considering each trip on it’s own merit - What would have been the order of finish barring the infraction? If you say Country House would have been in the super, I know you’re jus’ trollin’

I guess I’m confused then. What are you saying exactly?

You’re agreeing and disagreeing with things I say but think I’m trolling?

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I guess I’m confused then. What are you saying exactly?

You’re agreeing and disagreeing with things I say but think I’m trolling?

I've been very clear. There is bumping in virtually every race. There is bumping out of the gate pretty damn frequently. There is bumping through the turn, there is bumping when they straighten out to make their stretch run. It is impossible to tell whether these infractions,early on, lead to a decernable distinction as to whether said infraction impacted the out come of the race - thus there is rarely ever a change in the order of finish WHEN THE INFRACTION OCCURS THIS EARLY IN THE RACE.

What the world witnessed on Saturday was an absurd anomaly. We'll never agree on that, so enjoy whatever pleasure you derived from this absurdity.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

What the world witnessed on Saturday was an absurd anomaly. We'll never agree on that, so enjoy whatever pleasure you derived from this absurdity.

The only thing absurd is this statement....in every way.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

I've been very clear. There is bumping in virtually every race. There is bumping out of the gate pretty damn frequently. There is bumping through the turn, there is bumping when they straighten out to make their stretch run. It is impossible to tell whether these infractions,early on, lead to a decernable distinction as to whether said infraction impacted the out come of the race - thus there is rarely ever a change in the order of finish WHEN THE INFRACTION OCCURS THIS EARLY IN THE RACE.

What the world witnessed on Saturday was an absurd anomaly. We'll never agree on that, so enjoy whatever pleasure you derived from this absurdity.

But the infraction wasn’t early on. It was after 75-80% of the race had already been run.

I took absolutely no pleasure in a DQ that didn’t impact me financially. Not sure why you’d say that, but you’ve been saying wacky things for 4 days now.

Serious question...is there anything that MS could have done that would have warranted a DQ in your opinion? Would it have taken WoW falling? Maybe if he re rallied and ran 2nd? Missed in a photo for 4th?

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Can you be exposed when you’re 65-1 with no hope and embarrassingly outclassed by the actual winner, but get put up by a technicality because you claimed a foul when you were never touched and now have to “Walk the Walk”?

FTFY & Yes

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

FTFY & Yes

Dude...do you think I benefitted somehow by the DQ?

It’s not like Country House has to prove anything. Who considers him the best 3 year old?

Why has this DQ caused rational people to be so irrational?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Why has this DQ caused rational people to be so irrational?

This is a very good point.