'17 CROWN TRAIL THREAD: Always Dreaming; Cloud Computing; Tapwrit

[philcski]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'm not interested in the chart. I watched the race, and particularly the start, quite a few times. Nobody got "crushed." Hyperbole is a dangerous thing.

If people rely on the chart comments in KY for their wagering decisions, they are broke.

And that's what makes this game great Andy... I saw a lot more trouble at the start than you did. Neither of us is wrong.

[Kasept]

[richard burch]

4/ w 5-1-3/ w 5-1-2-3-9 trifecta

Winna Winna Chicken Dinna!

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by richard burch

4/ w 5-1-3/ w 5-1-2-3-9 trifecta

Winna Winna Chicken Dinna!

More like a ham sandwich

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by philcski

And that's what makes this game great Andy... I saw a lot more trouble at the start than you did. Neither of us is wrong.

Does anyone have a replay link that includes the head-on view of the start?

After reading BTW's comments I went back to watch the replays again, and I'd have to agree with him that in the standard overhead view, the start doesn't look that bad. However, it was the head-on view that I remember showing CE being bumped sideways extremely hard, almost off his feet. I don't totally trust my memory here, but I couldn't find a link that shows anything more than the standard network race replay, without the head-ons.

[Weary]

Originally Posted by Dunbar

Does anyone have a replay link that includes the head-on view of the start?

Head on replay of Always Dreaming winning the 2017 Kentucky Derby

[robfla]

Originally Posted by Weary

Head on replay of Always Dreaming winning the 2017 Kentucky Derby

Thanks. Excellent view. It can be looked at differently by each person, but all I see is McCraken bumping CE and pushing CE to the inside of the track - where he probably wanted to be anyways. IMO, its marginal if the start cost CE any final positioning.

[Alabama Stakes]

Those hosses who ran 1-2 got the best trips for sure

[Port Conway Lane]

Originally Posted by robfla

Thanks. Excellent view. It can be looked at differently by each person, but all I see is McCraken bumping CE and pushing CE to the inside of the track - where he probably wanted to be anyways. IMO, its marginal if the start cost CE any final positioning.

The flow in the run to the first turn was steady and the field separation was ideal for minimizing ground loss on the turn. I thought it was one of the more uneventful runs to the first turn comparatively speaking.

Hence was the only horse losing ground to the field in the 1st 1/16 of a mile which can be seen on the overhead view ( yellow cap with black silks ) . Hence actually got a good start despite the chart caller's " in tight at the break " comment. Once he checked out of his position Geroux yanked him toward the rail right outside of Lookin at Lee. He was further outrun by LAL throughout the remainder of the race so it's difficult for me to make a case for him.Though given the Preakness post positions it wouldn't surprise if he gets first run on LAL for the underneath slots.

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by Weary

Head on replay of Always Dreaming winning the 2017 Kentucky Derby

Thanks!

It still looks like a violent hit on Classic Empire and a stumble to me, but I can see how others might view it differently.

Also interesting is the view at about 1:10, where all but the front 4 have a solid coating of mud on their heads and front quarters. That can't have been pleasant. By the end of the race, there was one black horse and 18 mud-caked brownish greys.

[declansharbor]

Not sure if I've seen this anywhere or not, but it looked to me that Classic Empire's trouble at the start was some of his own doing, no?

The horses to his outside did him no favors, but it seemed to me that CE broke and his first few steps out of the gate were to his right. That said, shouldn't Leparoux have known that the horses in the auxiliary gate were to be coming inward for position sake??

[cakes44]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

Not sure if I've seen this anywhere or not, but it looked to me that Classic Empire's trouble at the start was some of his own doing, no?

The horses to his outside did him no favors, but it seemed to me that CE broke and his first few steps out of the gate were to his right. That said, shouldn't Leparoux have known that the horses in the auxiliary gate were to be coming inward for position sake??

Leparoux don't give two sh!ts about the break in any race ever.

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

Not sure if I've seen this anywhere or not, but it looked to me that Classic Empire's trouble at the start was some of his own doing, no?

The horses to his outside did him no favors, but it seemed to me that CE broke and his first few steps out of the gate were to his right. That said, shouldn't Leparoux have known that the horses in the auxiliary gate were to be coming inward for position sake??

I agree, Classic Empire definitely made things worse by taking a couple steps toward the outside.

[cakes44]

This race has merry-go-round written all over it. AD + CMM with CE really close as long as Julien doesn't have his head up his @ss, and they just cruise around the track and it's an even more boring race than the Derby.