Flashback

[Calzone Lord]

This Baffert colt won his debut at Hollywood Park on Saturday.

Going back all the way to 1990 ... just six horses have started their career in Southern California and went on to win the Kentucky Derby. '97 Silver Charm, '98 Real Quiet, '99 Charismatic, '00 Fusaichi Pegasus, '05 Giacomo, and '12 I'll Have Another.





Amazingly, Aaron Hesz apparently failed to uncover I'll Have Another and Charismatic...as he did not spend his one future book wager per year on them.

[Calzone Lord]

Hesz with Derby future book wagers since 1997:

4-for-16 (25% winners) and an ROI of $34.25

[3kings]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Hesz with Derby future book wagers since 1997:

4-for-16 (25% winners) and an ROI of $34.25

That is a ton of redboarding in one paragraph, holy cr*p.

Kentucky Derby 2013 (Churchill Downs) Winning Horses Name Begins With Letters A - Z - All Bets Action - May 04, 2013 18:00 PM ET
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C
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D
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G
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H
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T
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U
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V
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W
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X
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Y
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Z
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[Calzone Lord]

Who is offering that prop?

Looking at the some sites that do offer kentucky derby future bets. Flashdance wasnt even listed yet.

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Who is offering that prop?

sportsbook.ag

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by helicopter11

Looking at the some sites that do offer kentucky derby future bets. Flashdance wasnt even listed yet.

He just won his career debut on Saturday.

Regarding the prop bet by first letter of name ...The letter A would have been a complete cinch in the Affirmed and Alydar year.

so if this bet was done in vegas, what do you tell the teller...."$100 to win on Flashdance"?

[Calzone Lord]

I assume you would ask to be quoted for odds on Flashback.

They would start him at 150/1 and you'd bet.

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Meet The Mets
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Morenos Mine
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Finallygotabentley
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Will Take Charge
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Pyrite Mountain
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Slamarama
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[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

This Baffert colt won his debut at Hollywood Park on Saturday.

Going back all the way to 1990 ... just six horses have started their career in Southern California and went on to win the Kentucky Derby. '97 Silver Charm, '98 Real Quiet, '99 Charismatic, '00 Fusaichi Pegasus, '05 Giacomo, and '12 I'll Have Another.





Amazingly, Aaron Hesz apparently failed to uncover I'll Have Another and Charismatic...as he did not spend his one future book wager per year on them.

Actually, this is not entirely true.

I was kidding around with him via IMs once and asked him who he was going to win with in the future book this year, and he, very jokingly, said "Charismatic!".

The dude is a GOD!

[Calzone Lord]

I thought he had Monarchos in the future wagers as well.

I think he's cashed so many, that he's starting to forget them.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by helicopter11

Looking at the some sites that do offer kentucky derby future bets. Flashdance wasnt even listed yet.

Flashdance?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4VSdGzxSTw

The Mid 80's had to friggen suck.

[Calzone Lord]

In honor of Helicopter11:

[OldDog]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Flashdance?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4VSdGzxSTw

The Mid 80's had to friggen suck.

IDK . . .

nothin wrong with those legs.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

and with the new system for graded points to get in the derby the future wager is even more sketchy..imo

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Flashdance?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4VSdGzxSTw

The Mid 80's had to friggen suck.

And that was the biggest grossing R rated film of its year (beating out the one with the boiled bunny).

In some of the shots, her dancing double is a dude.

[Dahoss]

I'm thinking about making a future wager on Shakin' It Up. Unlike Hesz, I'm only going to redboard having Giacomo in the first pool, who I believe paid less than he did on Derby Day.

[GPK]

The mid 80s kicked ass every way imaginable.