Breeding

[jpops757]

Does anyone either know or have access to the info?How many TC winner have been home breds as opposed to yearling , 2y old, or private purchase? Lets take a time period of say the last 10-15 years

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by jpops757

Does anyone either know or have access to the info?How many TC winner have been home breds as opposed to yearling , 2y old, or private purchase? Lets take a time period of say the last 10-15 years

There hasn't been a triple crown winner in the past 10-15 years.

[sumitas]

LOLLOL, good one CG. Trick question and you rocked it, LOL.

[Cajungator26]

I think Pops probably meant "triple crown race", but I felt like being a smartass. LOL

[jpops757]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I think Pops probably meant "triple crown race", but I felt like being a smartass. LOL

Im not very good at dotting my Is and crossing my Ts but TC races was what I was refering to. What my underlying question was ? Do the big spenders try more for the breeing of runners or do they go more for the return of money in the sales ring. I was looking at the drf pull out for this past weekend concerning the upcomming Keenland sale. One of the stats that jumped out at me was Pionering and Slew City, both 5k stud fee, producing winners at over 50% from over 100 starters. We all know that they are not getting the top quality mammas. So in my opinion dosent this indicate a great way of obtaining a good mating for a smaller oreration that is looking for a productive colt.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by jpops757

Im not very good at dotting my Is and crossing my Ts but TC races was what I was refering to. What my underlying question was ? Do the big spenders try more for the breeing of runners or do they go more for the return of money in the sales ring. I was looking at the drf pull out for this past weekend concerning the upcomming Keenland sale. One of the stats that jumped out at me was Pionering and Slew City, both 5k stud fee, producing winners at over 50% from over 100 starters. We all know that they are not getting the top quality mammas. So in my opinion dosent this indicate a great way of obtaining a good mating for a smaller oreration that is looking for a productive colt.

I think it does, Pops. In my opinion, it is evident that they are breeding more for the sales ring than for racing. It seemed to me that the peds with more blacktype (regardless of sire) were getting the bigger $$ at the sales. I would venture to say that a smaller racing operation could actually break even (at the very least) by breeding to a stallion such as Pioneering and Slew City if they were looking for a productive colt or filly that could actually hit the board a few times in order to "pay for themselves."

[jpops757]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I think it does, Pops. In my opinion, it is evident that they are breeding more for the sales ring than for racing. It seemed to me that the peds with more blacktype (regardless of sire) were getting the bigger $$ at the sales. I would venture to say that a smaller racing operation could actually break even (at the very least) by breeding to a stallion such as Pioneering and Slew City if they were looking for a productive colt or filly that could actually hit the board a few times in order to "pay for themselves."

This is why it looks like the breeding is the driving force and the actual racing is just a byproduct, In my opinion it should be the other way around but the money talks and no one cares about my opinion.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by jpops757

This is why it looks like the breeding is the driving force and the actual racing is just a byproduct, In my opinion it should be the other way around but the money talks and no one cares about my opinion.

I agree with you, 100%. Because of the $$, they are breeding for the sales ring and because of that, horses with "pretty" peds may not stay sound long enough for their price to even be paid for. I personally don't understand why they do that, but a horse like Showing Up (for example), a $60k purchase, will be overlooked because of his lack of pedigree. His colts and fillies will probably be overlooked because he doesn't meet the current fad. Makes no sense to me, but money drives everything.

[jpops757]

Sure are a lot of AP Indy,Storm Cat and Dynaformers running in 10k claimers. With so much $$$$ involved It sure looks as if theres a lot of loosers out there. Makes me wonder what some of the highly productive lower stud fee guys would do if they had top quality Mare to cover.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by jpops757

Sure are a lot of AP Indy,Storm Cat and Dynaformers running in 10k claimers. With so much $$$$ involved It sure looks as if theres a lot of loosers out there. Makes me wonder what some of the highly productive lower stud fee guys would do if they had top quality Mare to cover.

I've often wondered the same thing myself. I definitely wouldn't breed to any of the above if I had a nice mare. There are a ton of nice stallions standing for a much lower fee than those guys. I'm also amazed at the fact that so many of the colts by the above stallions stand stud even if they are duds on the racetrack. IMO, pedigree only takes you so far. It upsets me to see some of the older lines of the breed dying out because of stallions like Storm Cat, etc. For example, the Red God line is getting harder to find as is the Ack Ack line (Broad Brush.) It's disheartening.

[sumitas]

same thing with the Spy Song/Crimson Satan. only 1 current sire carries that tail male line, Alladin Rib in Oh. it's a shame.