College Football

TEXAS has no QB and they are ranked in the top 5. They have a hell of a lot of athletes but how in the heck does a team win without a QB? Vince is gone. Again I dont get it. Vince Young won three games by himself last year.

I love Texas, I went to Texas, the suffering has ended for a National Championship but you have to have a QB. When was the last time a team won a National Championship with a freshman QB?

Originally Posted by pgardn

TEXAS has no QB and they are ranked in the top 5. They have a hell of a lot of athletes but how in the heck does a team win without a QB? Vince is gone. Again I dont get it. Vince Young won three games by himself last year.

I love Texas, I went to Texas, the suffering has ended for a National Championship but you have to have a QB. When was the last time a team won a National Championship with a freshman QB?

That's a good question pgar...? Texas looks like it can put as much talent on the field as anyone, just not in the QB slot. I guess that's why they are ranked so highly. If McCoy or Sneed play above average, without a lot of INTs, they should win a lot of ball games. But still, the only way they go back-to back, is if Mr. Young came back for his senior season. That's a tough travia question...do you know the answer, I'll take a stab and say Marino at Pitt.

Originally Posted by BellamyRd.

That's a good question pgar...? Texas looks like it can put as much talent on the field as anyone, just not in the QB slot. I guess that's why they are ranked so highly. If McCoy or Sneed play above average, without a lot of INTs, they should win a lot of ball games. But still, the only way they go back-to back, is if Mr. Young came back for his senior season. That's a tough travia question...do you know the answer, I'll take a stab and say Marino at Pitt.

Football is about more than one postion, lots more. Granted QB is a major role but in college it can be lessened. A good offensive line can make a good running back in college look great, and good skill players can make an average qb look good. Its real hard to asess the teams until they play. The Texas-Ohio State Game should be a real good one.

[dr. fager]

It would be the 85 Sooner's Jamelle Holieway. Only other person that I know that came close was Vick in '99 but the game was sort of one-sided.

[ddthetide]

i don't know that any team has ever won the NC with a freshman signal caller.
when Bama won it in 92, jay barker was a soph. (if i rememeber right) his job was to NOT lose the game and let the defense win it.

i don't know that texas can win the NC but the talent they put on the field easily has them in the top 10. the back-up qb's at texas will be ok, the TEAM will have to learn to win another way.

marino wasn't close to winning a NC at pitt.

Originally Posted by ddthetide

i don't know that any team has ever won the NC with a freshman signal caller.
when Bama won it in 92, jay barker was a soph. (if i rememeber right) his job was to NOT lose the game and let the defense win it.

i don't know that texas can win the NC but the talent they put on the field easily has them in the top 10. the back-up qb's at texas will be ok, the TEAM will have to learn to win another way.

marino wasn't close to winning a NC at pitt.

do you recall what years he played at Pitt? They did win it in 1976.
I remember he was close one season and lost in the bowl game.

[dr. fager]

Originally Posted by dr.fager

It would be the 85 Sooner's Jamelle Holieway. Only other person that I know that came close was Vick in '99 but the game was sort of one-sided.

Look up guys...lol

Marino was a rookie in '83...way before his time.

Originally Posted by dr.fager

Look up guys...lol

Marino was a rookie in '83...way before his time.

I'm bad with dates, don't call me as a witness
ok but didn't Pitt have a shot one year and they lost to someone in a bowl?
Vick's game wouldn't have been that one-sided if someone could cover Warrick
plus wasn't Weinke a freshman too that year, although he was in his mid-30's?

[dr. fager]

Still think it was Holieway....you're making me work for this...lol

Weinke, Florida State's 27-year-old junior, was 20-of-34 for 329 yards and four TDs.

[Scav]

This year it is all West Virginia

[quote=BellamyRd.]That's a good question pgar...? Texas looks like it can put as much talent on the field as anyone, just not in the QB slot. I guess that's why they are ranked so highly. If McCoy or Sneed play above average, without a lot of INTs, they should win a lot of ball games. But still, the only way they go back-to back, is if Mr. Young came back for his senior season.


Won't matter for the Horns.
Ohio State will get their revenge in Austin during week 2.
Hopefully OSU will be getting a couple of points in this "must win" game.

Buckeye coach Tressel is very strong in key match-ups, while Texas(until last year) has annually been one of the major Linda Lovelace teams.

[ddthetide]

Originally Posted by BellamyRd.

I'm bad with dates, don't call me as a witness
ok but didn't Pitt have a shot one year and they lost to someone in a bowl?
Vick's game wouldn't have been that one-sided if someone could cover Warrick
plus wasn't Weinke a freshman too that year, although he was in his mid-30's?

1977 sugar bowl was pitt 27-uga 3. that pitt team was matt cavenagh at qb and tony dorsett at rb. pitt won NC

1982 sugar bowl was pitt 24 uga 20. I THINK? that was marino against hershel walker.

[ddthetide]

Originally Posted by dr.fager

It would be the 85 Sooner's Jamelle Holieway. Only other person that I know that came close was Vick in '99 but the game was sort of one-sided.

give this man a cigar! holieway's 85 sooners and bernie kosar- 83 hurricanes.
freshman weren't eligable until 1972.

The Oklahoma Sooners don't usually provide encouragement and hope for the Texas Longhorns.

They do this season.

Really.

When the Longhorns begin defense of their football national championship they will do so with perhaps the element least conducive to winning it all – a freshman at quarterback.

Barry Switzer won a national title with a freshman quarterback in 1985, but it doesn't happen often.
Yet, Texas or any other team (Georgia, USC, Arkansas, etc.) that might start a rookie passer can glean a measure of optimism by referencing the histories of Oklahoma and Miami.

Since the NCAA granted its approval for freshmen to play in 1972, only Oklahoma (with Jamelle Holieway in 1985) and Miami (with Bernie Kosar in 1983) have captured national championships with first-year quarterbacks.

Holieway was a true freshman who took over for an injured Troy Aikman and led the Sooners to eight consecutive victories, including a title-clinching 25-10 Orange Bowl triumph over Penn State.

Holieway led Oklahoma in rushing (861 yards) and passing (517 yards) that season.

"I think Jamelle was probably the best option quarterback we had when I was here," then-OU coach Barry Switzer said. "He was a hiccup. You couldn't get a hold of him."

He was fast, smooth and elusive, but Holieway's greatest asset in '85 was a stellar OU roster that featured All-Americans in tight end Keith Jackson, linebacker Brian Bosworth, nose guard Tony Casillas and defensive end Kevin Murphy.

"We had all the other ingredients," Switzer recalled. "He had a great supporting cast around him. We knew we were going to be real good."

Like the '85 Sooners, Texas expects to have a loaded roster with All-American candidates in tackle Justin Blalock, guard Casey Studdard, defensive tackle Frank Okam and safety Michael Griffin. Regardless of whether redshirt freshman Colt McCoy or true freshman Jevan Snead emerges as the starting quarterback, the Longhorns should be tough to beat.

The same goes for USC - even if redshirt freshman Mark Sanchez beats out junior John David Booty for the starting quarterback job.

However, Switzer says redshirts shouldn't qualify as freshmen.
"That doesn't count. I never looked at a redshirt as a freshman. That's a sophomore," Switzer said. "A true freshman is a different deal than a guy that's practiced a year in the playbook and you've tutored. That's a hell of a difference. He should be ready to play."

Kosar certainly was.

"Obviously, a lot of things have to be right for a first-year player at quarterback to be successful," said Florida Atlantic coach Howard Schnellenberger, Kosar's head coach at Miami.

One of those things would be a good defense, which Miami had. The Hurricanes overcame a six-turnover debacle that resulted in a 28-3 season-opening loss to Florida and allowed just one touchdown over the next three games.

That afforded Kosar time to grow in the offense, and the Hurricanes did not lose again. They upset No. 1 Nebraska 31-30 in the Orange Bowl to win the national championship.

"Bernie was so mature for a young guy and so mentally tough, and he had good mechanics even though everybody thinks his delivery was too low," Schnellenberger said. "He got better as each game went along. By the time we played Nebraska he, I and everybody at Miami expected to win that game even though we were 17-point underdogs."

Matthew Stafford was on campus for spring practice and could start for Georgia.
More than two decades have passed since a freshman directed a national champion. Switzer said it can happen again, although he said it's more unlikely than it was 20 years ago.

He said the spread offenses that are so popular now put a premium on an experienced quarterback.

"The problem you have in the spread offenses is that it's 90 percent dependent on how the quarterback plays," Switzer said. "There's too much pressure on the quarterback, so he does need a lot of preparation and snaps to play the game."

Of course, more and more high schools are using similar versions of the spread offense, so freshmen are coming into college better prepared for that style.

That's why it's not too much of a stretch to predict at least some immediate success for McCoy and Snead or Sanchez or maybe Georgia's Matthew Stafford or even Arkansas' Mitch Mustain.

History shows freshmen can lead a team to the national championship. It just doesn't happen often.

[quote=jackofhearts]

Originally Posted by BellamyRd.

That's a good question pgar...? Texas looks like it can put as much talent on the field as anyone, just not in the QB slot. I guess that's why they are ranked so highly. If McCoy or Sneed play above average, without a lot of INTs, they should win a lot of ball games. But still, the only way they go back-to back, is if Mr. Young came back for his senior season.


Won't matter for the Horns.
Ohio State will get their revenge in Austin during week 2.
Hopefully OSU will be getting a couple of points in this "must win" game.

Buckeye coach Tressel is very strong in key match-ups, while Texas(until last year) has annually been one of the major Linda Lovelace teams.

ONe advantage for Texas. They are very deep. And it will most likely be super hot. We have been utterly ravaged by heat this year down here. OSU better bring the Gatoraide. Fortunately for them, they are also a very deep team. I gotta think with the way Tressel designs defenses they should give an inexperienced QB fits.
We will see.

[1st_Saturday_in_May]

Remember that Ntnl Championship when Josh Huepel and Oklahoma beat Florida State and Chris Weinke something like 13-2? That was a sick, boring game but shows that an average QB who makes a few plays and doesnt screw up can get his team into the title game.

[Scurlogue Champ]

Originally Posted by Scav

This year it is all West Virginia

Until they come to Louisville

Originally Posted by moodwalker

Until they come to Louisville

Brohm and Bush will put up some outrageous numbers
they have probably as good a chance as going undefeated as WV
although they do have Miami, FL coming to town
UM's defenese is going to be downright nasty

I have the past 6 champions as my top 6:

1. Ohio State
2. Texas
3. USC
4. LSU
5. Oklahoma
6. Miami, FL
7. Notre Dame
8. Florida
9. Cal
10. Iowa

here'sa question: college football is great to me because of the rivals playing one another-yearin-year out

what rivalry do you think is the best?
here my top 10 in no particular order...

Texas v. Oklahoma, USC v. Notre Dame, Ohio St. v. Michigan, Army v. Navy, Miami v. FSU, Florida v. FSU, UGA v. Florida, Alabama v. auburn, Alabama v. Tennesee, Clemson v. South Carolina

[ddthetide]

Bama-auburn is always great! not as much funny as it used to be. i'd been to 5 iron bowls when they still played in birmingham and tickets in legion field were split 50-50 between the schools. THAT was a blast!

Bama-tenn, the players and fans can't stand each other.

if you LOVE college footbal you HAVE to see and Army-Navy game and a game at Army and at Navy.

clemson-usc has turned ugly because the fans and players HATE each other!

Originally Posted by ddthetide

Bama-auburn is always great! not as much funny as it used to be. i'd been to 5 iron bowls when they still played in birmingham and tickets in legion field were split 50-50 between the schools. THAT was a blast!

Bama-tenn, the players and fans can't stand each other.

if you LOVE college footbal you HAVE to see and Army-Navy game and a game at Army and at Navy.

clemson-usc has turned ugly because the fans and players HATE each other!

Yes, I really wish they had kept the Iron Bowl in "The Iron City", Birmingham
oh Lord, the nights we had there after a sweet Alabama victory
I'd probably vote Army-Navy too, it's really what College football
should be all about, respect