Taking nothing away from Summer, but QR ran huge

[MisterB]

When talking next year, but him in the mix too!!!!!!!! Fast track might make the difference, with the added races an no more set backs

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by MisterB

When talking next year, but him in the mix too!!!!!!!! Fast track might make the difference, with the added races an no more set backs

He has down enough also. Perfect candidate for the breeding shed. Showed brilliance early. Breeders love this type big BSF and just enough Blk type to make him legit.

[cmorioles]

Summer Bird ran much, much better in my opinion. Quality Road should have had plenty left at the end given the slow pace.

[TropicalStorm]

Quality Road could be tough in the BC Mile. I don't know synthetics well enough but european milers stretch out to 10f in the classic last year so maybe Quality Road could get the 10f.

I think Quality Road is like Rachel Alexandra. They can run past 9f but they really do not want to.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Summer Bird ran much, much better in my opinion. Quality Road should have had plenty left at the end given the slow pace.

I agree CJ... Not to mention the serious race-riding tactics Velasquez threw into the deal being inside and floating Summer Bird and Desormeaux well wide off the turn. And Summer Bird was not fully extended down the stretch at all.


As a PS.. I thought Quality ran very well and further distinguished himself as honest...

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Kasept

I agree CJ... Not to mention the serious race-riding tactics Velasquez threw into the deal being inside and floating Summer Bird and Desormeaux well wide off the turn. And Summer Bird was not fully extended down the stretch at all.

Neither are so special its a lousy crop. Mine that Bird won the friggin Derby. Summer Bird appears ok in what looks like another suspect group. I think both the other gals would give them heck not to mention Rachel.

[Travis Stone]

I don't know... I think Quality Road ran a big race. Yeah, the pace was slow, but the surface is fishy with that much rain so it's hard to determine. Plus, Quality Road broke outside which costs him a bit of ground, plus he was rank. Sure, he floated Summer Bird out, but Quality Road was only one path inside him...

That said, what impressed me was how Summer Bird took the race to Quality Road with four furlongs to go and Quality Road did not give up until past mid-stretch. Still, Summer Bird did not blow him away late like you would expect, the margin was less than one length. Kent whipped 'Bird enough times down the stretch - I think he was all-in.

Plus, Summer Bird relishes both the off-track and longer distances, so for Quality Road to stay in it for that long to me is a pretty big effort especially considering 10f is not up his wheelhouse. Take nothing away from Summer Bird because he's a really cool horse who is fast and talented, but Quality Road's effort was strong too.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

I don't know... I think Quality Road ran a big race. Yeah, the pace was slow, but the surface is fishy with that much rain so it's hard to determine. Plus, Quality Road broke outside which costs him a bit of ground, plus he was rank. Sure, he floated Summer Bird out, but Quality Road was only one path inside him...

That said, what impressed me was how Summer Bird took the race to Quality Road with four furlongs to go and Quality Road did not give up until past mid-stretch. Still, Summer Bird did not blow him away late like you would expect, the margin was less than one length. Kent whipped 'Bird enough times down the stretch - I think he was all-in.

Plus, Summer Bird relishes both the off-track and longer distances, so for Quality Road to stay in it for that long to me is a pretty big effort especially considering 10f is not up his wheelhouse. Take nothing away from Summer Bird because he's a really cool horse who is fast and talented, but Quality Road's effort was strong too.

QR ran a nice race but Summer Bird ran a nicer one in my opinion, he always looked like a winner going by when he wanted to, I think he had more to give if needed, the margin doesn't reflect the ease of the win, he was just idling when he hit the lead and I think the tap down the stretch was just a reminder tap by Kent. He certainly was not all out to win yesterday.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Neither are so special its a lousy crop. Mine that Bird won the friggin Derby. Summer Bird appears ok in what looks like another suspect group. I think both the other gals would give them heck not to mention Rachel.

Every time you make statements like these you undermine your argument that Rachel is a special horse. She beat Mine That Bird by a length and Macho Again by a head. If they are "lousy" horses, it's hard to argue that she's "special."

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Every time you make statements like these you undermine your argument that Rachel is a special horse. She beat Mine That Bird by a length and Macho Again by a head. If they are "lousy" horses, it's hard to argue that she's "special."

She is a three year old filly so she gets and deserves a pass. Next year she wont and I almost guarantee that Jackson will duck and dive all year.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Every time you make statements like these you undermine your argument that Rachel is a special horse. She beat Mine That Bird by a length and Macho Again by a head. If they are "lousy" horses, it's hard to argue that she's "special."

Two weeks rest , pressed every step of way, new trainer, a race that she was never meant to run in, yet she overcame all the issues.. Not to mention its May and SHE is 3

[CSC]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Neither are so special its a lousy crop. Mine that Bird won the friggin Derby. Summer Bird appears ok in what looks like another suspect group. I think both the other gals would give them heck not to mention Rachel.

I admire taking a stance but you are really opening yourself up for the grief you will receive when SB meets RA next yr, that is only if JJ can map out a campaign that will not avoid SB next yr. That may be more of a challenge than beating RA in itself.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

She is a three year old filly so she gets and deserves a pass. Next year she wont and I almost guarantee that Jackson will duck and dive all year.

Meaning what she wont try poly?
Start her back in the Sabin at 8 against her own or the GP handicap.. Then find another spot till the Met Mile. Then the Phipps,Surburan,Go for Wand, Whitney, Woodward, JCGC, Classic.. Curlin Feb 1 2011.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by CSC

I admire taking a stance but you are really opening yourself up for the grief you will receive when SB meets RA next yr, that is only if JJ can map out a campaign that will not avoid SB next yr. That may be more of a challenge than beating RA in itself.

I really really like Summer Bird..I figure she will be racing and he wont anyway.. Redardless of Dr J's joy..

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Two weeks rest , pressed every step of way, new trainer, a race that she was never meant to run in, yet she overcame all the issues.. Not to mention its May and SHE is 3

Freddy,

What's wrong with this crop exactly? Not including the sprinters like Zensational/Candyman, et al,


Rachel Alexandra (Last 5):

108-9f (KY Oaks)
108-9.5f (Preakness)
111-9f (Mother Goose)
116-9f (Haskell)
109-9f (Woodward)


Summer Bird (Last 4):

100-12f (Belmont)
106-9f (Haskell)
110-10f (Travers)
111-10f (JCGC)


Quality Road (Last 5):

113-8f (FOY)
111-9f (FL Derby)
110-6.5f (Amsterdam)
103-10f (Travers)
110-10f (JCGC)

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Freddy,

What's wrong with this crop exactly? Not including the sprinters like Zensational/Candyman, et al,


Rachel Alexandra (Last 5):

108-9f (KY Oaks)
108-9.5f (Preakness)
111-9f (Mother Goose)
116-9f (Haskell)
109-9f (Woodward)


Summer Bird (Last 4):

100-12f (Belmont)
106-9f (Haskell)
110-10f (Travers)
111-10f (JCGC)


Quality Road (Last 5):

113-8f (FOY)
111-9f (FL Derby)
110-6.5f (Amsterdam)
103-10f (Travers)
110-10f (JCGC)

The gals are terrific..2 ok colts? You forgot Pioneer of the Poly

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by freddymo

The gals are terrific..2 ok colts? You forgot Pioneer of the Poly

It's always premature to judge the crop until they've all had a chance to mature. And you're obviously not counting the sprinters, and may be discounting those that still can come around off first half of the year injuries.. (Dunkirks of the world).. And what about the turf players male and female?

Having just these three two-turner/classic distance standouts, (4 with Careless Jewel), is an OK starting point for a crop.

[Indian Charlie]

I believe this crop to be pretty good, though way too fragile. A lot of the better horses have been sidelined.

At one point, I came up with fifteen colts from this crop that had been sent to the sideline with injury.

Off the top of my head, in no particular order:

1. Friesan Fire
2. POTN
3. Charitable Man
4. Midshipman
5. Square Eddie
6. Dunkirk
7. Vineyard Haven
8. Desert Party
9. Regal Ransom
10. The Pampelmousse (sp?)
11. Street Hero
12. Quality Road
13. Old Fashioned

There were others, but like I said, those are just off the top of my head.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I believe this crop to be pretty good, though way too fragile. A lot of the better horses have been sidelined.

At one point, I came up with fifteen colts from this crop that had been sent to the sideline with injury.

Off the top of my head, in no particular order:

1. Friesan Fire
2. POTN
3. Charitable Man
4. Midshipman
5. Square Eddie
6. Dunkirk
7. Vineyard Haven
8. Desert Party
9. Regal Ransom
10. The Pampelmousse (sp?)
11. Street Hero
12. Quality Road
13. Old Fashioned

There were others, but like I said, those are just off the top of my head.

And we forgot.....













I Want Revenge!

[Kasept]

Here's the Best Beyer list for 3 year olds (M/F) this year...

Blue = <1m

Rachel Alexandra (f) MTH 02 Aug 1 1/8M 116
This Ones for Phil GP 24 Jan 6F 115
I Want Revenge AQU 07 Mar 1 1/16M 113
Notonthesamepage GP 03 Jan 6F 113
Quality Road GP 28 Feb 1M 113
Warrior's Reward CD 01 May 7F 113
Munnings BEL 05 Jul 7F 111
Quality Road GP 28 Mar 1 1/8M 111
Rachel Alexandra (f) BEL 27 Jun 1 1/8M 111
Summer Bird BEL 03 Oct 1 1/4M 111
Cash Refund CD 25 Apr 6F 110
Munnings BEL 06 Jun 7F 110
Quality Road BEL 03 Oct 1 1/4M 110
Quality Road SAR 03 Aug 6 1/2F 110
Summer Bird SAR 29 Aug 1 1/4M 110
Zensational DMR 08 Aug 6F 110
Just Ben BEL 06 Jun 7F 109
Light Green (f) BEL 15 May 6F 109
Rachel Alexandra (f) SAR 05 Sep 1 1/8M 109
You Luckie Mann GP 24 Jan 6F 109
Big Drama GP 28 Mar 7F 108
Dunkirk GP 28 Mar 1 1/8M 108
Hollywood Hit WO 30 Sep 6F 108
Munnings CD 01 May 7F 108
Rachel Alexandra (f) CD 01 May 1 1/8M 108