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02-11-2009, 02:13 PM
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'KY in Crisis' Special
Tonight and next Wednesday.. Examining the impasse that threatens to undermine the future of racing and breeding in Kentucky...
LIVE LINK: http://www.clearstreaming.com/radios...sandbeyond.asx TONIGHT John Sikura, Hill n' Dale Damon Thayer, State Senator Billy Reed, Lexington Herald-Leader Larry Jones, Trainer 2/18 Greg Stumbo, Kentucky House Speaker Brereton Jones, Airdrie Stud, Former KY Gov. Corey Johnson, President, Kentucky Downs Ray Paulick, Paulick Report Hope you'll tune in..
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02-11-2009, 04:14 PM
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Billy Reed rocks.
He named it. It is RELIGION stopping gaming in KY. Period.
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"Have the clean racing people run any ads explaining that giving a horse a Starbucks and a chocolate poppyseed muffin for breakfast would likely result in a ten year suspension for the trainer?" - Dr. Andrew Roberts Last edited by Riot : 02-11-2009 at 04:27 PM.
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02-11-2009, 05:54 PM
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I've listened to the entire show and enjoyed it. If it really is "religion" stopping the sport, then I think as Damon Thayer may have said (could have been Billy Reed), what about the booze, lottery, smokes, tobacco, and porn mags at the local gas station/convenience store.
The current situation as it is MAKES NO FLIPPING SENSE. The industry is a MAMMOTH supplier of income to commonwealth residents, and by default, a major supplier of tax revenue to the commonwealth. If the industry had its act together, how could it not muster the strength to say the following in every TV market, newspaper, radio station... __________________________________________________ __________ XX,XXX Kentuckians are directly employed by the racing industry Horse racing and its related industries contribute __________ to the commonwealth, helping keep your taxes lower XXX,XXX,XXX dollars has been lost to neighboring states XX,XXX jobs are going to be lost if the commonwealth doesn't act - and that's just what we need in this economy The following state legislators do not want slot machines at racetracks, and by default, are hoping one of the commonwealth's most prolific industries continues to decline: _________________________________________ Ask them why they don't support doing everything possible to help racing, and by default, help Kentucky? If we don't save one of Kentucky's best/most historic/traditional industries, you or someone you know who works in a racing-related industry may suffer. Kentucky - Unbridled Spirit? Let's get back on the bridle. Demand it! __________________________________________________ __ The only problem I've had with the show is that all those interviewed are on the side of racing. Was there an attempt to get the detractors on and there perspective. Next week's guests, Brereton Jones, Greg Stumpo (sp?), Corey Johnson, Ray Paulick, also seem to be on the same side of the issue... An all-out public assault should make Kentucky residents realize the importance of it.
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02-11-2009, 06:26 PM
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anyway.. I don't believe it is moral reasons.. I think it's the money.
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02-11-2009, 06:49 PM
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Unless Kentucky residents are directly associated with the horse industry, I don't think they don't care about it. They don't care about it in Appalachia, they don't care about it in southwest Kentucky.
There is a huge financial and cultural discrepency within Kentucky that fights against understanding. There are three areas in Kentucky: Louisville, Lexington, and outside Cincinnati - that are a bit urban, but still very conservative; and the rest of the state is rural and extremely religiously conservative, and far more worried about surviving than what to order at Starbucks. You can try and make them care about it all you want, and try and "educate" them, and they don't care. All you will hear is, "Gambling is sin". I live in a town just north of Lexington that, a few years back, after a 15-year-fight, finally allows drinks to be sold with dinner in restaurants. Can't buy liquor in the country, only drinks with dinner. The only reason it passed is that the population of "outsiders" increased over time enough to make it squeek by. We went from McDonalds & KFC only to having an Applebys, O'Charleys, Ruby Tuesdays, huge growth in the population of the town, etc. There is still a strong public force trying to currently overturn that, to go back to what used to be, and Sunday sales of drinks in those currently serving restaurants was just overwhelmingly defeated (although they are not hurting for business from locals at all <g>) Edit: and I have to mention, this was invovling a completely busted-out town budget (decrease in school, fire, etc) and the suggestion was to open liquor to Sunday sales in restaurants now serving 6 days a week, a move that would immediately provide more than enough tax revenue to quickly fix the deficit. You would think the anti-sinners would want the sinners taxed! <g> The NO WAY crowd was so loud, the consideration was withdrawn. No liquor on the Lord's day. Being broke is better. Seriously - these folks quote the Bible to me as reason not to neuter or spay their dogs. The casino operators just over the river from Kentucky only have to worry about damping down enthusiasm in mainly in the big towns: Louisville and Cincinnati and Paducah, but even if those towns voted in favor of gambling (and I don't think it's a given) the rest of the state would vote it down. This state is overwhelmingly, staunchly, conservative. Don't mention porn mags and the Kentuckians who cross the river to gamble, and who drive across county lines to drink, as hipocrisy doesn't fly Sunday mornings when one is feelin' rightous and morally superior and ther sermon is good <g> They just increased taxes on the bourbon industry (cigs and drink the only sins to tax) but they completely, totally fail to see that gambling would pour money into state coffers. Money that currently is being spent by Kentuckians across the rivers. Seriously - gambling is sin, it will never happen if a huge proportion of the population has any say. And they do. They are rabid about it. When people rally around a moral argument, any facts on either side of the argument are just extraneous noise. And boy, these folks around here can rally 'round Jesus  I mean, you can tell them, vote for this, and your rural and poor town will then have fire protection, and health services for everyone addicted to Oxycontin and meth, and they will take refuge in the moral arguments.
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"Have the clean racing people run any ads explaining that giving a horse a Starbucks and a chocolate poppyseed muffin for breakfast would likely result in a ten year suspension for the trainer?" - Dr. Andrew Roberts Last edited by Riot : 02-11-2009 at 07:03 PM.
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02-11-2009, 07:18 PM
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Let's not forget that about half of Kentucky's counties are dry or partially dry.
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02-11-2009, 09:39 PM
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02-12-2009, 05:48 AM
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02-12-2009, 06:13 AM
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I work with 2 guys from Kentucky and neither has been to a single race. One grew up in Lexington and he (the guy that makes the big bucks) always had disdain for horse racing. Something about a cast system. I really don't know what fishing has to do with it
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02-12-2009, 08:55 AM
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Good show yesterday Steve. I haven't had the chance to listen to it in it's entirety, but the segment with Daymon Thayer was good. I really looking forward to next week's show.
Riot, you have very good points. I agree with practically everything you posted. I have talked up the gambling issue around here, and most people either don't want it (the "moral" issue  ) or just don't care. When I try to explain to them how much the horse industry has done for the state, their first response is "I don't live in Lexington or Louisville". They are so focused on their own little piece of property that they can't see past the end of their nose. One other thing that people bring up is the state lottery. People think that any other form of gambling in the state will only be put into place to make the "rich richer" and no money would go to the rural areas to help. The lottery has soured many's opinions on all other types of gambling.
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02-12-2009, 10:56 AM
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Let us not discount the enourmous amount of money that the casino operators in the neighboring states to KY spend trying to keep this from happening. Where do you think these church groups are getting the money to oppose casino gambling. It ain't coming from the offering plate. The casino operators IMO will gladly get behind the issue if they are allowed to put up free standing casinos(away from the tracks) so they don't have to share the money with the Horse industry. There is a reason Jerry Carroll sold Turfway Park about the same time 3 casinos opened in Indiana only 45 mins. away. On any given night, easily 3/4ths of the cars in the parking lots of these casinos have Ohio or KY plates. Nobody lives in this part of Indiana. The Greater Cincinnati/Northern KY populace is the target group. I'm sure many of our politicians in KY are also recieving money from the casino operators to keep the waters muddied up. KY legistrators must take the lead and assure horseman and Track operators that any casino gambling will only go forward in this state in conjuction with the Horse industry. Otherwise, Tracks and Horsemen will be reluctant to unite for a cause that could sign their death notice.
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02-12-2009, 05:46 PM
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02-12-2009, 05:55 PM
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Now, for coal-mining money, the goal is to get out of the mountains, and get to Lexington.
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02-12-2009, 05:57 PM
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02-12-2009, 08:35 PM
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Notice the consistent drop in purses illustrated in the chart included in the Blood Horse article that GBBob linked. The drop coincides with the opening of casino gambling in Indiana. 3 boats within 45 min. of Turfway Park. It's a double whammy for TP. IF THE SUN IS WARM AND THE BEER IS COLD (Kee and CD - April thru Nov. ) people may choose the Track to be outside and enjoy the weather. The guts of Turfways meet comes in the dead of winter when people don't care to be outside. It ain't hard. On site handle down....purses down !!! KY better wake up before it's too late.
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02-12-2009, 09:36 PM
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