Kentucky Derby creates qualifying race

[-BT-]

http://sports.yahoo.com/rah/news;_yl...v=ap&type=lgns

WHY?

i'm really not a fan of this new "win and your in" fad..... its about as cool as starting a hedge fund stable for horse, eh ivarone?

-bt-

[GBBob]

Do you know when this race is?

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Do you know when this race is?

Colonel Klink making a trip to England?

[slotdirt]

This might have served Tomcito well.

[Scurlogue Champ]

stupid idea

the horse won't come and won't have any business coming...

unless they run it at Keeneland

It's just another excuse to put in synthetic. Ugh.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

Colonel Klink making a trip to England?

Not the worst idea in the world...

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Not the worst idea in the world...

Is there a prep race at Baden Baden?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

Is there a prep race at Baden Baden?

The Dirk Nowitzki Cup

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The Dirk Nowitzki Cup

Stalag 13 dash....the Colonel would be a cinch.

[ateamstupid]

What the flip is happening to this sport?

[Merlinsky]

Gonna be interesting trying to cram American horses into 19 spots instead of 20. The first time the Euro horse keeps out some bright and shiny up and comer on the bubble, they'll start hollering. Of course this assumes the Brit winner even makes the trip. I'm gonna guess it won't be as bad as using the UAE Derby to make the KY Derby--that goal still befuddles me. It's not gonna drive them to change Churchill to synthetic so folks worried about that need to calm down. They could still make it 'win and you're in'-esque if they made it a high enough graded stake purse so really we need to think of it as a cheaper way of doing that. If it works out, they'll increase the purse I'm sure and then the saved spot thing will be moot.

[Indian Charlie]

Dubai should buy the state of Kentucky and then limit the Kentucky Derby to horses that have raced in Dubai at least once.

[magic_idol]

@ the risk of going against the tide i think its great ,,You would be surprised by opening up the major races creates way more money more money bigger pools,bigger pools the more money you can win ;-).

All you need to do is look @ the melbourne cup sure you get the sh#ts when a overseas horse wins but the turnover from the race increases prize money etc & the fact is most times overseas horses wont win

Change is good people

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by magic_idol

@ the risk of going against the tide i think its great ,,You would be surprised by opening up the major races creates way more money more money bigger pools,bigger pools the more money you can win ;-).

All you need to do is look @ the melbourne cup sure you get the sh#ts when a overseas horse wins but the turnover from the race increases prize money etc & the fact is most times overseas horses wont win

Change is good people

The problem is that this change seems to have very little upside. Foreign horses have competed in the race before and should be held to the same qualifing standards as the rest. It would be interesting if an American horse went over and won the race. The fact that CD is allowing a horse in with special status because he happens to be based in Europe is troubling especially since they are giving out a bonus to them and the racing at their tracks here is suffering. Just another case of CDI missing the big picture and spending every waking hour trying squeeze one more dollar out of the Derby while the racing product at their tracks on a day to day basis is crumbling.

[magic_idol]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The problem is that this change seems to have very little upside. Foreign horses have competed in the race before and should be held to the same qualifing standards as the rest. It would be interesting if an American horse went over and won the race. The fact that CD is allowing a horse in with special status because he happens to be based in Europe is troubling especially since they are giving out a bonus to them and the racing at their tracks here is suffering. Just another case of CDI missing the big picture and spending every waking hour trying squeeze one more dollar out of the Derby while the racing product at their tracks on a day to day basis is crumbling.

While i can understand this i live in a state where through greed & dislike of change the racing industry is dying all trainers & owners are leaving for the other states for the money ,Money drives the industry hence the more money that is bought in the better racing is.
Victoria by turning their races into a world wide product created a hell of alot of money that flowed on to the clubs eg with a million dollar up grade of the track this year & a increase of prize money by 7% I think prizemoney for the cup alone is now up to 5 mil.
So while i can see what you are talking about where the greedy FA's keep the money & it dosnt flow on, you dont want it to end up like here where the races & facilities have become a joke with poor fields & no money because everyone has moved

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by magic_idol

While i can understand this i live in a state where through greed & dislike of change the racing industry is dying all trainers & owners are leaving for the other states for the money ,Money drives the industry hence the more money that is bought in the better racing is.
Victoria by turning their races into a world wide product created a hell of alot of money that flowed on to the clubs eg with a million dollar up grade of the track this year & a increase of prize money by 7% I think prizemoney for the cup alone is now up to 5 mil.
So while i can see what you are talking about where the greedy FA's keep the money & it dosnt flow on, you dont want it to end up like here where the races & facilities have become a joke with poor fields & no money because everyone has moved

Perhaps you should let CDI in on this as the Derby is as healthy as any event in our sport yet the main product is slipping and competition from other states is going to even further erode the racing especially at CD itself. Tracks like Philly Park, Presque Isle, Indiana Downs and Hoosier park may not have the prestige of CD but with the added slots money they ARE competition yet these dopes are so arrogant and fixated on bs like this they cant even see the ship is taking water, really fast.

[brockguy]

They should have at least staged it on a left handed track..

I'm sure some owners/trainers would be interested but you still have to pay for the costs. There is also the small matter that very few decent horses over here actually run on the all weather.

[magic_idol]

I suppose a another option for overseas interests would be to do what tinkler did

Patinack Farm principal Nathan Tinkler has made yet another mark on one of the world’s biggest yearling sales, this time buying a handful of youngsters at the Keeneland sale in Kentucky.
Foremost among Tinkler’s purchases has been a colt by Smart Strike from the Victoria Oaks placegetter Lan Kwai Fong.
Tinkler’s agent Vin Cox went to US$475,000 for the colt whose dam is by Bluebird.
Having instituted a number of changes at home, Tinkler continued the building of his thoroughbred empire in the US having also made significant international purchases this year in France and Japan.
Cox said at Keeneland that the buying would continue later in the year at Tattersalls in England and Goff’s in Ireland.
Cox said a number of the American purchases would remain in the US with those who have issues that might hinder their racing prospects to be shipped to Australia for breeding purposes.

maybe a race in kentucky where overseas & american horses can compete in a race where the winner gets exemption into the KD

[Merlinsky]

Originally Posted by brockguy

They should have at least staged it on a left handed track..

I'm sure some owners/trainers would be interested but you still have to pay for the costs. There is also the small matter that very few decent horses over here actually run on the all weather.

I thought they said something about the race being counterclockwise like ours. Is that not true?