Let the Sun Shine In!!!

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Day games in Dodger Stadium make it brutal for catching the flyballs. Upton's non-catch was beautiful. We are gunna let Manny watch the ball land from home plate(like anybody can change him.)

[SCUDSBROTHER]

"M Ramirez hit a ground rule double to deep right, A Berroa and R Martin scored, A Ethier to third."


Help me out here. How is it a double when the rightfielder loses a ball in the sun, and it bounces into the stands? How is that a hit of any kind?

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

"M Ramirez hit a ground rule double to deep right, A Berroa and R Martin scored, A Ethier to third."


Help me out here. How is it a double when the rightfielder loses a ball in the sun, and it bounces into the stands? How is that a hit of any kind?

Pop flys lost in the sun have always been ruled hits. I don't necessarily agree...

[MaTH716]

I think the rule of thumb is, if it doesn't hit the fielders glove it is a hit.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

I think the rule of thumb is, if it doesn't hit the fielders glove it is a hit.

What if it goes through the shortstop's legs without being touched?

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

What if it goes through the shortstop's legs without being touched?

Then I suggest that the shortstop starts looking for apartments around the team's minor leauge stadium.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Then I suggest that the shortstop starts looking for apartments around the team's minor leauge stadium.

Wrong answer...it's an error.

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

Pop flys lost in the sun have always been ruled hits. I don't necessarily agree...

Where have you been Scuds?
Certainly you have been watching baseball
long enough to see this happen before?

34 games for Manny in LA, 34 RBI's.
Not bad. Chasing Hack Wilson...

[Cannon Shell]

10.12 Errors
An error is a statistic charged against a fielder whose action has assisted the team on offense, as set forth in this Rule 10.12.
(a) The official scorer shall charge an error against any fielder:
(1) whose misplay (fumble, muff or wild throw) prolongs the time at bat of a batter, prolongs the presence on the bases of a runner or permits a runner to advance one or more bases, unless, in the judgment of the official scorer, such fielder deliberately permits a foul fly to fall safe with a runner on third base before two are out in order that the runner on third shall not score after the catch;
Rule 10.12(a)(1) Comment: Slow handling of the ball that does not involve mechanical misplay shall not be construed as an error. For example, the official scorer shall not charge a fielder with an error if such fielder fields a ground ball cleanly but does not throw to first base in time to retire the batter. It is not necessary that the fielder touch the ball to be charged with an error. If a ground ball goes through a fielder's legs or a fly ball falls untouched and, in the scorer's judgment, the fielder could have handled the ball with ordinary effort, the official scorer shall charge such fielder with an error. For example, the official scorer shall charge an infielder with an error when a ground ball passes to either side of such infielder if, in the official scorer’s judgment, a fielder at that position making ordinary effort would have fielded such ground ball and retired a runner. The official scorer shall charge an outfielder with an error if such outfielder allows a fly ball to drop to the ground if, in the official scorer’s judgment, an outfielder at that position making ordinary effort would have caught such fly ball. If a throw is low, wide or high, or strikes the ground, and a runner reaches base who otherwise would have been put out by such throw, the official scorer shall charge the player making the throw with an error.
The official scorer shall not score mental mistakes or misjudgments as errors unless a specific rule prescribes otherwise. A fielder’s mental mistake that leads to a physical misplay—such as throwing the ball into the stands or rolling the ball to the pitcher’s mound, mistakenly believing there to be three outs, and thereby allowing a runner or runners to advance—shall not be considered a mental mistake for purposes of this rule and the official scorer shall charge a fielder committing such a mistake with an error. The official scorer shall not charge an error if the pitcher fails to cover first base on a play, thereby allowing a batter-runner to reach first base safely. The official scorer shall not charge an error to a fielder who incorrectly throws to the wrong base on a play.
The official scorer shall charge an error to a fielder who causes another fielder to misplay a ball—for example, by knocking the ball out of the other fielder’s glove. On such a play, when the official scorer charges an error to the interfering fielder, the official scorer shall not charge an error to the fielder with whom the other fielder interfered.
(2) when such fielder muffs a foul fly to prolong the time at bat of a batter, whether the batter subsequently reaches first base or is put out;
(3) when such fielder catches a thrown ball or a ground ball in time to put out the batter-runner and fails to tag first base or the batter-runner;
(4) when such fielder catches a thrown ball or a ground ball in time to put out any runner on a force play and fails to tag the base or the runner;
(5) whose wild throw permits a runner to reach a base safely, when in the scorer's judgment a good throw would have put out the runner, unless such wild throw is made attempting to prevent a stolen base;
(6) whose wild throw in attempting to prevent a runner's advance permits that runner or any other runner to advance one or more bases beyond the base such runner would have reached had the throw not been wild;
(7) whose throw takes an unnatural bounce, touches a base or the pitcher's plate, or touches a runner, a fielder or an umpire, thereby permitting any runner to advance; or
Rule 10.12(a)(7) Comment: The official scorer shall apply this rule even when it appears to be an injustice to a fielder whose throw was accurate. For example, the official scorer shall charge an error to an outfielder whose accurate throw to second base hits the base and caroms back into the outfield, thereby permitting a runner or runners to advance, because every base advanced by a runner must be accounted for.
(8) whose failure to stop, or try to stop, an accurately thrown ball permits a runner to advance, so long as there was occasion for the throw. If such throw was made to second base, the official scorer shall determine whether it was the duty of the second baseman or the shortstop to stop the ball and shall charge an error to the negligent fielder.
Rule 10.12(a)(8) Comment: If, in the official scorer's judgment, there was no occasion for the throw, the official scorer shall charge an error to the fielder who threw the ball.
(b) The official scorer shall charge only one error on any wild throw, regardless of the number of bases advanced by one or more runners.
(c) When an umpire awards the batter or any runner or runners one or more bases because of interference or obstruction, the official scorer shall charge the fielder who committed the interference or obstruction with one error, no matter how many bases the batter, or runner or runners, may advance.
Rule 10.12(c) Comment: The official scorer shall not charge an error if obstruction does not change the play, in the opinion of the scorer.
(d) The official scorer shall not charge an error against:
(1) the catcher when the catcher, after receiving the pitch, makes a wild throw attempting to prevent a stolen base, unless the wild throw permits the stealing runner to advance one or more extra bases or permits any other runner to advance one or more bases;
(2) any fielder who makes a wild throw if in the scorer's judgment the runner would not have been put out with ordinary effort by a good throw, unless such wild throw permits any runner to advance beyond the base he would have reached had the throw not been wild;
(3) any fielder who makes a wild throw in attempting to complete a double play or triple play, unless such wild throw enables any runner to advance beyond the base such runner would have reached had the throw not been wild;
Rule 10.12(d) Comment: When a fielder muffs a thrown ball that, if held, would have completed a double play or triple play, the official scorer shall charge an error to the fielder who drops the ball and credit an assist to the fielder who made the throw.
(4) any fielder when, after fumbling a ground ball or dropping a batted ball that is in flight or a thrown ball, the fielder recovers the ball in time to force out a runner at any base; or
(5) any fielder when a wild pitch or passed ball is scored.
(e) The official scorer shall not charge an error when the batter is awarded first base on four called balls, when the batter is awarded first base when touched by a pitched ball, or when the batter reaches first base as the result of a wild pitch or passed ball.
Rule 10.12(e) Comment: See Rule 10.13 for additional scoring rules relating to wild pitches and passed balls.
(f) The official scorer shall not charge an error when a runner or runners advance as the result of a passed ball, a wild pitch or a balk.
(1) When the fourth called ball is a wild pitch or a passed ball and as a result
(i) the batter-runner advances to a base beyond first base;
(ii) any runner forced to advance by the base on balls advances more than one base; or
(iii) any runner, not forced to advance, advances one or more bases, the official scorer shall score the base on balls and also the wild pitch or passed ball, as the case may be.
(2) When the catcher recovers the ball after a wild pitch or passed ball on the third strike, and throws out the batter-runner at first base, or tags out the batter-runner, but another runner or runners advance, the official scorer shall score the strikeout, the putout and assists, if any, and credit the advance of the other runner or runners on the play as a fielder’s choice.
Rule 10.12(f) Comment: See Rule 10.13 for additional scoring rules relating to wild pitches and passed balls.

[Bigsmc]

Tl;dr

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Where have you been Scuds?
Certainly you have been watching baseball
long enough to see this happen before?

34 games for Manny in LA, 34 RBI's.
Not bad. Chasing Hack Wilson...

I don't care about this the way many do. So, no, I just always assumed it was an error. To me, it's a 2 base error based on the following statement:

"The official scorer shall charge an outfielder with an error if such outfielder allows a fly ball to drop to the ground if, in the official scorer’s judgment, an outfielder at that position making ordinary effort would have caught such fly ball."

I'm more worried about Kershaw being in trouble today. That I care about.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Got out of it unscathed, but lot of pitches (atleast 30 ) in 1st inning. Reminds me of when Bobby Cox was having domestic problems with Pamela. Somebody use to say "DUCK PAMELA." I can tell this youngin gunna be duckin n' diving today.

[Crown@club]

Why not let Berroa loose on the basepaths?
a) ok I forgot its Torre.
b) Berroa bats in front of the pitcher
c) Berroa doesn't get on base enough
D) Berroa getting to old has Nomar legs.
E) All of the above

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Crown@club

Why not let Berroa loose on the basepaths?
a) ok I forgot its Torre.
b) Berroa bats in front of the pitcher
c) Berroa doesn't get on base enough
D) Berroa getting to old has Nomar legs.
E) All of the above

As long as they're smart at the plate, it's going to go o.k. That's been the big difference lately. See, despite what the quasi white supremacist types think, Kent getting hurt was a huge break. He is very, very slow, and struggles to time the hops on ground balls up the middle. On that last road trip he was killing us with missed plays on D in pivotal moments in games. He was leaving a ton of guys on base while hittn' in front of Manny. Quite simply he ran out of gas in late August of his final year. Since he has been hurt they've won 8 in a row. Do I think it's all because he is gone? No, I think they would of gone about 6-2, or 5-3 during this same time period. Why do I say he they are 2 or 3 games better without him?

1) defense...whoever you play at 2nd is a ton better up the middle. Remember the ball that hit off Loney and went to the 2nd baseman the other night. Don't think Kent's speed or reflexes would of allowed that play to be made, and it was a big play.

2) Here is the big one. Joe is realizing what I said over 3 -4 weeks ago: Ethier gives them their best team at bats. He simply doesn't give in. If he gets 2 strikes, he keeps fouling pitches off until he gets a walk. That's what allowed Manny to come up there atleast twice with 2 and 3 men on base on Saturday. Ethier is made to hit right smack in front of Manny. GOOD THINGS HAPPEN WHEN ETHIER IS UP AT BAT IN FRONT OF MANNY. I think he is just trying to get on base any way he can. That means he is taking advantage of his ability to tire a pitcher out(instead of trying to hit a home run with each at bat.) He knows if he fails then Manny will still have a shot to get it done.

3) I think everyone is simply having more fun without worrying about what Kent is gunna say. They are just looser without him.