D'OH! No Queen's Plate for Rocker..

Kasept · #1 06-15-2008, 04:10 PM

Harlem Rocker, decisive winner of the Withers Stakes (gr. III) but fourth in the Plate Trial in his first Polytrack start, will not contest the Queen's Plate on June 22 at Woodbine... http://racing.bloodhorse.com/article/45745.htm

the_fat_man · #2 06-15-2008, 04:11 PM

He's really done enough.

kgar311 · #3 06-15-2008, 04:14 PM

Is this the same horse that would of beat BB in the preakness? Oh I wish I had to time to repost all the threads of me bashing this POS and everybody attacking me for it. I feel all tingly inside.

hockey2315 · #4 06-15-2008, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by kgar311

Is this the same horse that would of beat BB in the preakness? Oh I wish I had to time to repost all the threads of me bashing this POS and everybody attacking me for it. I feel all tingly inside.

Ya you've clearly been proven right. . .

Danzig · #5 06-15-2008, 04:39 PM

he's not the first horse to show lots of promise, only to bomb on a surface switch. pryo never took a step wrong til he went to keeneland. put the rocker back on dirt, then we'll see.
one good showing isn't enough to make them good, and certainly one bad one isn't enough to make them bad!

CSC · #6 06-15-2008, 10:07 PM

I posted this earlier this morning, I guess it was missed. But I am happy to share it again...

A fast but "backwards" workout by Plate contender HARLEM ROCKER on the Polytrack today at Woodbine has left the Stronach Stables team in a quandary about whteher to start the grey colt in the June 22 Plate.

According to manager Mike Rogers, Harlem Rocker's workout featured the grey son of Macho Uno going fast in the early part of the 5 furlong prep ('22 and change') and then slowing down at the end (58 1/5 for 5 furlongs, out in 1:12 and change)

"It was kind of backwards, he went fast and then fell apart," said Rogers.
"It doesn't make our decision any easier,"

Rogers said Stronach wanted to view the workout tape himself before deciding the colt's status for new week.

CSC · #7 06-15-2008, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by kgar311

Is this the same horse that would of beat BB in the preakness? Oh I wish I had to time to repost all the threads of me bashing this POS and everybody attacking me for it. I feel all tingly inside.

I certainly never bashed you, but I do disagree. Anyway everyone is entitled to an opinion and you expressed yours. We will see down the line if you are indeed correct.

Habersham000 · #8 06-15-2008, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man

He's really done enough.

Did you just make that up? Have never heard that saying towards a horse ever....very creative

the_fat_man · #9 06-15-2008, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Habersham000

Did you just make that up? Have never heard that saying towards a horse ever....very creative

Thanks for pointing that out. I'll make sure to put you on my watch list of contributors here. You clearly have much to add.

blackthroatedwind · #10 06-15-2008, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by kgar311

Is this the same horse that would of beat BB in the preakness? Oh I wish I had to time to repost all the threads of me bashing this POS and everybody attacking me for it. I feel all tingly inside.

I'm trying to wrap myself around this conundrum.....in this thread you say this.....while in another thread you say this ( just minutes apart )....

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All of it is crap to me anyways. So now instead of track bias we need to handicap which type of wax they are running on too? What ever happened to dirt and turf. All of these non horsemen intellectuals are overthinking and ruining the game.

So, which is it?

ateamstupid · #11 06-15-2008, 11:52 PM

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I'm trying to wrap myself around this conundrum.....in this thread you say this.....while in another thread you say this ( just minutes apart )....

So, which is it?

Neither. The guy's feelings got so hurt by someone suggesting that Big Brown could lose, he lost his ability to rationally think about Harlem Rocker.

blackthroatedwind · #12 06-15-2008, 11:57 PM

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Neither. The guy's feelings got so hurt by someone suggesting that Big Brown could lose, he lost his ability to rationally think about Harlem Rocker.

The guy has a bunch of posts about how much he hates polytrack but when it suits him polytrack is completely dismissed as a possible excuse.

Close your eyes for a second and think of the internet if people wanted as much attention for their bad opinions as they seem to for their good ones.

#13 06-15-2008, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Thanks for pointing that out. I'll make sure to put you on my watch list of contributors here. You clearly have much to add.

Calling Lance Armstrong.

Needed: Incredibly silly comparisons between bikes and horses.

or bicyclists and jockeys...

kgar311 · #14 06-16-2008, 07:34 AM

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Neither. The guy's feelings got so hurt by someone suggesting that Big Brown could lose, he lost his ability to rationally think about Harlem Rocker.

No thats not the case. The same people that gave BB no respect at all and were looking for any other horse to tout to beat BB picked this rat and touted him as the next Secretariat. I just couldnt understand how the Kentucky Derby winner was soooo bad and this horse was soooo good?

kgar311 · #15 06-16-2008, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'm trying to wrap myself around this conundrum.....in this thread you say this.....while in another thread you say this ( just minutes apart )....

So, which is it?

I wish the people that touted this horse and said he would beat BB in the Preakness would please step up to the plate. The reason I say this is because the way people were portraying him on this sight as a superhorse. If he was that great dont you think he could of easily went up to canada and beat those horses up there on any surface? Horse didnt even finish in the money.

kgar311 · #16 06-16-2008, 08:09 AM

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I don't think anyone was portraying him as a superhorse. He had been extremely impressive, both visually and figure wise. And in a year when the 3 year old crop is mediocre at best, it appeared he might be a good one. I'm more apt to see how a horse bounces back from an effort where he/she might have a legit excuse like surface and or distance.

The Plate Trial was Harlem Rocker's first going 2 turns and first over a synthetic surface. Considering how good J Be K looked Belmont Day and considering Harlem Rocker pissed on him, isn't at least possible to assume that harlem Rocker is a lot better than the Woodbine effort showed? Maybe he has distance limitations and maybe he didn't like the track, but until he comes back, who knows?

So if he went in the Preakness that race would of been his first around two turns and against BB. Nobody seemed to think that would of been an problem for him that day and he would of had to been a superhorse to win that race. I hope for the sake of racing that he turns out to be good but people were way off about this horse at the moment.

kgar311 · #17 06-16-2008, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The guy has a bunch of posts about how much he hates polytrack but when it suits him polytrack is completely dismissed as a possible excuse.

Close your eyes for a second and think of the internet if people wanted as much attention for their bad opinions as they seem to for their good ones.

And thats for taking the time to read up on my prior posts im flattered.

blackthroatedwind · #18 06-16-2008, 08:27 AM

This thread is really too much.

Nobody said Harlem Rocker was a superhorse, or was going to crush Big Brown, but merely pointed out that he was a good horse and might present a real challenge to Big Brown in the Preakness.

Some of us like to see a challenge in racing. Others are delusional. That's OK....it takes all kinds.

kgar311 · #19 06-16-2008, 08:30 AM

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I don't recall a lot of people touting him in the Preakness. I remember people being impressed with his Withers and making the comparison to bernardini, because they had similar starts to their careers. I don't remember anyone comparing their talents, just that their careers started similar.

Let me ask you, had Harlem Rocker tried the turf and not the synthetic and run so-so, would you be looking at him the same way as you are now? Because essentially the poly is as foreign to dirt racing as turf is.

Yea I just went back to the threads about Rocker and the preakness, there were comparisons about Bernardini and Rocker, thats what got me riled up, but the person that was touting him as a Superhorse was Better Than Honour so take that for what its worth. But still there were some others saying he had a shot in the preakness but he got beat by nothing up in Canada. And yes I would think differently if he tried the turf and ran so-so because those would of been turf stake horses running on turf and these were dirt horses running on synthetics. He should of handled these horses if he was anything.

blackthroatedwind · #20 06-16-2008, 08:35 AM

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And yes I would think differently if he tried the turf and ran so-so because those would of been turf stake horses running on turf and these were dirt horses running on synthetics. He should of handled these horses if he was anything.

Oh, so because it fits your now disproven claim that people hailed him as a superstar to knock Harlem Rocker, you are now claiming synthetics are just like dirt courses, and not like turf courses.

I think you are the one who needs to reread your posts from the past year and a half.

I have news for you.....Big Brown got drowned in the Belmont. It happens. It doesn't mean you have to lash out irrationally. If they can get him back to the races he may very well get to take on Harlem Rocker. Wouldn't it be nice to see these horses decide the question on the racetrack....and not on the internet?