Disapointing '08 so far for...

Travis Stone · #1 05-19-2008, 10:18 PM

...mainly this thread is because one more Big Brown thread might make me ill.

But in all seriousness, I think a few horses so far this year have been remarkably disappointing compared to what they hinted at last year.

One which comes to mind immediately is Lear's Princess. She beat Rags to Riches last year, had a sub-par Distaff, but has done very little since. She's just not the same horse.

Any others?

blackthroatedwind · #2 05-19-2008, 10:23 PM

Everyone else is retired.

There is hope for 3YOs as the season progresses. Obviously the Derby and Preakness fields were desperately lacking but between Harlem Rocker, Casino Drive, Unbridled's Heart and Biker Boy we may have some decent races starting with the Dwyer. Here's hoping.

Travis Stone · #3 05-19-2008, 10:26 PM

Good point about the retirements. The game is changing, tough pill to swallow.

If these late-season 3-year-olds can shake-out, we might have an interesting set of races. Or it'll be Big Brown versus Macho Again in the Travers. Or, if Big Brown retires, it's Macho Again versus Denis of Cork. Yikes.

CSC · #4 05-19-2008, 10:33 PM

The top turf horses out west are Daytona, followed by Champ Elysees. That doesn't bring a surge of blood through my veins. I remember a time when there used to be alot of great turf horses out there, they are few and far between now.

VOL JACK · #5 05-19-2008, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Good point about the retirements. The game is changing, tough pill to swallow.

If these late-season 3-year-olds can shake-out, we might have an interesting set of races. Or it'll be Big Brown versus Macho Again in the Travers. Or, if Big Brown retires, it's Macho Again versus Denis of Cork. Yikes.

The biggest departure(for myself) this year was the retirement of Showing Up. He would have been a big asset to a once again dismal turf division.
It just seems like bad things always happen when talented horses get rushed into the ky derby with no foundation, especially off of 2 weeks rest.

I think the jacksons are great owners and very classy folks, but they really blew it on this horse. I guess having the most the most likely winner of the race and morn line fav for the big race wasn't good enough.

ateamstupid · #6 05-19-2008, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK

The biggest departure(for myself) this year was the retirement of Showing Up. He would have been a big asset to a once again dismal turf division.
It just seems like bad things always happen when talented horses get rushed into the ky derby with no foundation, especially off of 2 weeks rest.

I think the jacksons are great owners and very classy folks, but they really blew it on this horse. I guess having the most the most likely winner of the race and morn line fav for the big race wasn't good enough.

What?

blackthroatedwind · #7 05-19-2008, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

What?

He's referring to them also having Barbaro in that Derby.

Cajungator26 · #8 05-19-2008, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK

The biggest departure(for myself) this year was the retirement of Showing Up. He would have been a big asset to a once again dismal turf division.
It just seems like bad things always happen when talented horses get rushed into the ky derby with no foundation, especially off of 2 weeks rest.

I think the jacksons are great owners and very classy folks, but they really blew it on this horse. I guess having the most the most likely winner of the race and morn line fav for the big race wasn't good enough.

How did racing Showing Up in the Derby two years ago ruin the horse?

hockey2315 · #9 05-19-2008, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Everyone else is retired.

There is hope for 3YOs as the season progresses. Obviously the Derby and Preakness fields were desperately lacking but between Harlem Rocker, Casino Drive, Unbridled's Heart and Biker Boy we may have some decent races starting with the Dwyer. Here's hoping.

Don't forget Lt. Ron if he gets healthy. . .

The one I'm really waiting to see come back is Bold Hawk - if he matured at all he can be a SERIOUS turf horse this year. . . Also hoping Crossing the Line and Trippi's Storm come back. . .

ateamstupid · #10 05-19-2008, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

He's referring to them also having Barbaro in that Derby.

Thanks. Like Cajun said, though, I don't see what running Showing Up in the Derby had to do with anything. I'm pretty sure he still had a very good year after the Derby..

geeker2 · #11 05-19-2008, 10:47 PM

How about Lava Man?..just kidding..I'm just glad this thread isn't about BB and/or CD....thank you!

Duvalier · #12 05-19-2008, 10:49 PM

Zenyatta seems to have some talent.

Travis Stone · #13 05-19-2008, 10:52 PM

There are certainly plenty who are making noise, but across the board, we're looking at weak divisions.

And the turf reference is spot-on too... usually, it's a really deep group of horses who produce consistently exciting finishes. That trend is fading quickly of late.

CSC · #14 05-19-2008, 10:56 PM

On the Acorn is a good example of how weak the turf division is out west, as for Showing Up I believe they retired him due to a suspensory injury. Though he was in training to race this season I remember Tagg not being happy with him and then the decison was made.

VOL JACK · #15 05-19-2008, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

How did racing Showing Up in the Derby two years ago ruin the horse?

maybe it didn't have a direct effect on his soundness, it just seemed Tagg was always talking about the horse like he was dealing with Humpty Dumpty.

Just seems to me when horses are rushed into the derby it takes the toll later. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think the Jacksons would like to have handled the early stages of his career differently.

King Glorious · #16 05-20-2008, 12:10 AM

I'm still eagerly awaiting the return of Crossing the Line. It also doesn't help that some of last year's most exciting horses, including Fabulous Strike and Midnight Lute, haven't made an appearance yet this year and Curlin's only made two and neither were in this country. Smokey Stover's retirement today and the loss of Euroears earlier haven't helped things either.

fpsoxfan · #17 05-20-2008, 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Good point about the retirements. The game is changing, tough pill to swallow.

If these late-season 3-year-olds can shake-out, we might have an interesting set of races. Or it'll be Big Brown versus Macho Again in the Travers. Or, if Big Brown retires, it's Macho Again versus Denis of Cork. Yikes.

Yuck. Good Point. It could very well be a horrible Travers. I think we saw a small example of how bad the crop is just by the Preakness undercard. Not many names stood out.

SniperSB23 · #18 05-20-2008, 08:38 AM

The one who has actually run and has generated little to no buzz is Ginger Punch. I would think having the Distaff winner back would have drawn more interest.

MisterB · #19 05-20-2008, 08:53 AM

I think Frank is taking the same road as he did once before with Awesome Again in 1997. Try the same with Harlem Rocker. win the Plate, win the Jim Dandy, then the Travers.

I believe he is getting 150,000 for his services, and he never won a triple crown race either.

I am glad NRYA was happy he didn't run in the Preakness, but I am sure Frank could care less about a triple crown race he would have finished 2nd at best.

SniperSB23 · #20 05-20-2008, 09:00 AM

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I am glad NRYA was happy he didn't run in the Preakness, but I am sure Frank could care less about a triple crown race he would have finished 2nd at best.

The race was won in a 100 Beyer so I'm not so sure about that. At the very least if he handled the distance he could have forced Big Brown to go several lengths faster.