churchill/calder cut purses

paisjpq · #1 05-10-2008, 09:38 AM

slap the horsemen to try to make them cave on the ADW dispute I guess....

http://www.drf.com/news/article/94445.html

citycat · #2 05-10-2008, 11:34 AM

Granted we are all in this together (tracks, trainers, owners) but to use a "W" word......isnt it ironical that the decrease in purses affects the "third party" in this pissing match, the owners.

PID here we come.........just wait until next year when Indiana Downs purses will be more than CD...............amazing.

Cannon Shell · #3 05-10-2008, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by citycat

Granted we are all in this together (tracks, trainers, owners) but to use a "W" word......isnt it ironical that the decrease in purses affects the "third party" in this pissing match, the owners.

PID here we come.........just wait until next year when Indiana Downs purses will be more than CD...............amazing.

Perhaps you forgetting that you are part of the second party, the horseman. The "trainers" arent blocking anything, it is the HBPA which is not only trainers but owners also not to mention the KTA which is also owners and trainers.

#4 05-10-2008, 12:07 PM

Twenty percent?
Jeez.

Not peanuts. Thats significant.

Cannon Shell · #5 05-10-2008, 12:11 PM

They are doing what they have to do. It's business. But they cant move the grandstand and race somewhere else. We can.

jwkniska · #6 05-10-2008, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by citycat

PID here we come.........just wait until next year when Indiana Downs purses will be more than CD...............amazing.

PID's signal is blocked too... they're probably next to cut purses.

Cannon Shell · #7 05-10-2008, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jwkniska

PID's signal is blocked too... they're probably next to cut purses.

very little of PID's money is from wagering

citycat · #8 05-10-2008, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

They are doing what they have to do. It's business. But they cant move the grandstand and race somewhere else. We can.

yeah poor CD they are goin under. Yes we will definitely be going somewhere else, especially next year

jwkniska · #9 05-10-2008, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

very little of PID's money is from wagering

they'll find a way to blame it on it though... unfortunately

SCUDSBROTHER · #10 05-10-2008, 08:56 PM

Unless they cut purses, this is the equivalent of being paid while on strike.I have no problem with them striking,but getting full purse money while doing it is one of the oddest things I have ever heard of.

pick4 · #11 05-10-2008, 09:11 PM

I use to watch Churchill races on TVG and I saced the charts. While I didn't follow the spring meet a little bit. Since they decided to go on their own with HRTV, I bet Churchill once in a while last year. Then I realized I was sretching myself too thin cappin races from that track. I decided to focus more on my home track and I don't miss Churchill a single bit.

I don't think O'm alone in shifting my wagering dollars. My point is within the last year, Robert Evans has turned Churchill Downs into an irrelevant racing track in terms of out of state simulcasting wagering.

blackthroatedwind · #12 05-10-2008, 09:14 PM

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My point is within the last year, Robert Evans has turned Churchill Downs into an irrelevant racing track in terms of out of state simulcasting wagering.

He's never been the same since Ali MacGraw left him for Steve McQueen. Can't blame him. THAT was a tough beat.

pick4 · #13 05-10-2008, 09:37 PM

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He's never been the same since Ali MacGraw left him for Steve McQueen. Can't blame him. THAT was a tough beat.

Did that happen before or after the Godfather was made?

McQueen was the King of Cool or something like that. The Cinncinati Kid was a good movie. The car chase through SF was classic.

blackthroatedwind · #14 05-10-2008, 09:43 PM

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Did that happen before or after the Godfather was made?

McQueen was the King of Cool or something like that. The Cinncinati Kid was a good movie. The car chase through SF was classic.

I think the same time.

SCUDSBROTHER · #15 05-10-2008, 10:01 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Js7BBOPvfbM

LOL...Pretty good (even just to listen to.) This is actually Fred Sanford and Grady Wilson driving these cars.They heard that cases of Malt Liquor were being given out for free. They never showed this episode though.

long version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKg27...eature=related

Cannon Shell · #16 05-11-2008, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Unless they cut purses, this is the equivalent of being paid while on strike.I have no problem with them striking,but getting full purse money while doing it is one of the oddest things I have ever heard of.

Dude, we dont work for them. The money that they pay out in purses isn't their money. By contract it is our money. They pay based on projections. If they handle more than projected, they raise purses, if less, they cut them. It is rare that a 2% decrease in handle (derby day) leads to a 20% purse cut.

SCUDSBROTHER · #17 05-11-2008, 11:30 AM

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Dude, we dont work for them. The money that they pay out in purses isn't their money. By contract it is our money. They pay based on projections. If they handle more than projected, they raise purses, if less, they cut them. It is rare that a 2% decrease in handle (derby day) leads to a 20% purse cut.

You're asking for people to be inconvenienced for your own personal financial reasons. That's what people on strike do, but don't expect to get your regular purse while doing it. How the hell would it ever get solved if you didn't have a reason to want to negotiate? Obviously your group inconvenienced people in order to get what you want. The people who would have bet may have lost interest in the product.They may have started betting other tracks or bet sports other than racing. That's hard to put a value on (longterm loss.) Are you saying the Florida Horseman should have to take the cut in purses, but not the Kentucky horsemen? There is no way you can do this without hurting the other people involved (track,state, bettors.) It's a strike. Hasn't their stock gone down some? You've inconvenienced the other 2 parties involved, and hurt the overall product by driving people away from it(to find another product.) I think you should have the right to do it, but I don't think you should expect to be paid as usual. If members of your group start leaving for better purse somewhere, then they will have to start cancelling racing. Again, like in other strike situations. This really is a strike (it's just that the strikers don't want the resulting reduction in wages.) I don't think you're better than anyone else striking for more money. You want what you want. So, you should have to take the temporary financial hit (like anyone else would have to endure.)

MISTERGEE · #18 05-11-2008, 12:37 PM

just out of curiousity how do they cut the purses of the stakes races which in the condition book will say guaranteed money, for example CRC has some overnight stakes which had $55,000 "guaranteed" purse onoly to be dropped to $36,000?

Cannon Shell · #19 05-11-2008, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

You're asking for people to be inconvenienced for your own personal financial reasons. That's what people on strike do, but don't expect to get your regular purse while doing it. How the hell would it ever get solved if you didn't have a reason to want to negotiate? Obviously your group inconvenienced people in order to get what you want. The people who would have bet may have lost interest in the product.They may have started betting other tracks or bet sports other than racing. That's hard to put a value on (longterm loss.) Are you saying the Florida Horseman should have to take the cut in purses, but not the Kentucky horsemen? There is no way you can do this without hurting the other people involved (track,state, bettors.) It's a strike. Hasn't their stock gone down some? You've inconvenienced the other 2 parties involved, and hurt the overall product by driving people away from it(to find another product.) I think you should have the right to do it, but I don't think you should expect to be paid as usual. If members of your group start leaving for better purse somewhere, then they will have to start cancelling racing. Again, like in other strike situations. This really is a strike (it's just that the strikers don't want the resulting reduction in wages.) I don't think you're better than anyone else striking for more money. You want what you want. So, you should have to take the temporary financial hit (like anyone else would have to endure.)

Do you work for CDI? Because you make about as much sense as they do. Purses arent rewards. They are our share taken from the handle. The horseman are using their rights as stated by the LAW in blocking signals as a tactic in negotiating just as CD is using the cutting of purses. The difference is if CD cuts purses too drastically where there is an underpayment based upon our contractual %, they have to make up the difference (i.e. raise the purses) eventually.

Cannon Shell · #20 05-11-2008, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MISTERGEE

just out of curiousity how do they cut the purses of the stakes races which in the condition book will say guaranteed money, for example CRC has some overnight stakes which had $55,000 "guaranteed" purse onoly to be dropped to $36,000?

Obviously the word guarantee doesnt mean much anymore. I sent a package out last week that was guaranteed by UPS to be somewhere at 10am the next day. It wasnt there on time. No refunds either.