Corinthian or Bernardini

#1 07-10-2006, 03:02 PM

Both of the horses have tons of ability and are lightly raced. Which do you think will have a better career?

Pointg5 · #2 07-10-2006, 03:05 PM

Not even close, Bernardini in a landslide...

Where is all of this talent I am missing on Corinthian?

Nice horse, but not in the same league as Bernardini...

Gander · #3 07-10-2006, 03:06 PM

Really, Corinthian runs about as frequently as Flower Alley, LOL

#4 07-10-2006, 03:08 PM

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Really, Corinthian runs about as frequently as Flower Alley, LOL

Its not really Corinthian's fault nor Jerkens fault that he suffered a fracture.
Flower Alley had quite an active campaign at age three, much moreso than most of the top three year olds in this business ever have. I believe he raced 10 times at age three. Tim do you wanna compare that number of starts with recent top three year olds? I think you will find it very high.

irishtrekker · #5 07-10-2006, 03:10 PM

I've loved Corinthian from the start, so I'll keep defending him. If he stays healthy, I think he'll be tough to beat, even for Bernardini.

dr. fager · #6 07-10-2006, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander

Really, Corinthian runs about as frequently as Flower Alley, LOL

Not too mention they both have 4 starts to their careers....

to me roll the dice, how can you predict...we haven't seen enough of either.

Downthestretch55 · #7 07-10-2006, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander

Really, Corinthian runs about as frequently as Flower Alley, LOL

LOL! Tim. You know as well as I do that he's being brought back in a cautious manner by Jim J. The injury might have ended his career.
At this point, I'd have to vote for Bernardini. But I'll just have to wait and see. Corinthian might be just ready enough to give us all a thrilling Travers if Bernardini shows up there. I'm patient.
This could be worth the wait.

#8 07-10-2006, 03:15 PM

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LOL! Tim. You know as well as I do that he's being brought back in a cautious manner by Jim J. The injury might have ended his career.
At this point, I'd have to vote for Bernardini. But I'll just have to wait and see. Corinthian might be just ready enough to give us all a thrilling Travers if Bernardini shows up there. I'm patient.
This could be worth the wait.

A horse coming back from injury with one prep race has zero chance against Bernardini. Bernardini is an AP Indy. He probably is going to just keep getting better. The older horses are the only horses with a shot at him, and I don't even see them beating him. His Preakness was as good as Barbaro's Derby.

Gander · #9 07-10-2006, 03:18 PM

I was kidding, my point was its hard to get excited about Corinthian until he runs. We can dream all we want but lets save the discussion for when he actually runs.

#10 07-10-2006, 03:09 PM

Corinthian is just an allowance winner. Bernardini is a potential superstar horse. He might turn out to be his main competition though next year. I think both we will back as 4yr olds.

#11 07-10-2006, 03:22 PM

[quote=boldruler]Corinthian is just an allowance winner. Bernardini is a potential superstar horse. He might turn out to be his main competition though next year. I think both we will back as 4yr olds.[/QUOTE}

Well Corinthian did cross the finish line 1st in the FOY. Of course he did get disqualified. I think that it is about equal between the two horses. Bernardini did win a depleated Preakness field. Should be interesting if Corinthian comes back healthy.

#12 07-10-2006, 03:28 PM

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Corinthian is just an allowance winner. Bernardini is a potential superstar horse. He might turn out to be his main competition though next year. I think both we will back as 4yr olds.[/QUOTE}

Well Corinthian did cross the finish line 1st in the FOY. Of course he did get disqualified. I think that it is about equal between the two horses. Bernardini did win a depleated Preakness field. Should be interesting if Corinthian comes back healthy.

Corinthian has a ton of talent. Might be a great horse one day but Bernardini has already proven his is a great horse. His last two wins displayed talent that very few horses have had in a years. His Preakness was as good as they get.

Gander · #13 07-10-2006, 03:43 PM

Lets not get carried away. That was one of the worst Preakness fields ever. Add in that the best horse broke down and Brother Derek nearly fell on him, and you have a very inconsequential outcome.

Before you deem Bernardini great, he has to do more. Before that he beat Luxemburg who just came back recently and got clobbered by a horse not even mentioned when you talk about good 3 year olds- Fabulous Strike.

ateamstupid · #14 07-10-2006, 03:12 PM

I haven't seen too much of Corinthian, but I doubt any 3-year-old (or older horse for that matter) touches Bernie around two turns.

Betsy · #15 07-10-2006, 04:06 PM

Let me say that I absolutely adore Corinthian - he's incredibly talented and well-bred and if he keeps his mind on racing, he will win many stakes. This is no knock on him. However, Bernardini has just impressed me incredibly in so many ways.
As an AP Indy, I'd followed him from his first start (which I didn't see) ; his 2nd start seemed pretty spectacular, but who knows with impressive maiden breakers? When I saw him in the post-parade for the Withers, I was floored. He's absolutely the most striking, beautiful horse I've ever seen (check out the head shot in the Preakness BH); his move to win that race was really something to see. I honestly thought he'd be a really good 3 year old (after that), Barbaro or not. I thought he would acquit himself nicely in the Preakness........but I never expected to see what I saw that day. Barbaro would have had a tough time beating Bernardini (not that he wouldn't have, but it would have been a great race). Bernardini's move was breathtaking; as soon as he started it, I knew the race was over.

All that being said, I really think he towers above his contemporaries. I'm afraid of being overconfident, however, because he's still just a horse and he very well could have a bad day or two. He's a potentially great horse; I hope he gets a chance to prove it. Just based on what I've seen on the track, Bernardini will be the better racehorse, but Corinthian will win his share.

Downthestretch55 · #16 07-10-2006, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy

Let me say that I absolutely adore Corinthian - he's incredibly talented and well-bred and if he keeps his mind on racing, he will win many stakes. This is no knock on him. However, Bernardini has just impressed me incredibly in so many ways.
As an AP Indy, I'd followed him from his first start (which I didn't see) ; his 2nd start seemed pretty spectacular, but who knows with impressive maiden breakers? When I saw him in the post-parade for the Withers, I was floored. He's absolutely the most striking, beautiful horse I've ever seen (check out the head shot in the Preakness BH); his move to win that race was really something to see. I honestly thought he'd be a really good 3 year old (after that), Barbaro or not. I thought he would acquit himself nicely in the Preakness........but I never expected to see what I saw that day. Barbaro would have had a tough time beating Bernardini (not that he wouldn't have, but it would have been a great race). Bernardini's move was breathtaking; as soon as he started it, I knew the race was over.

All that being said, I really think he towers above his contemporaries. I'm afraid of being overconfident, however, because he's still just a horse and he very well could have a bad day or two. He's a potentially great horse; I hope he gets a chance to prove it. Just based on what I've seen on the track, Bernardini will be the better racehorse, but Corinthian will win his share.

Good post Betsy!
Nothing to disagree with.

#17 07-10-2006, 04:38 PM

BERNARDINI...emphatically....not much debate here IMO

Corinthian barely beat a horrible bunch of 3YOs this winter at GP, while Bernardini has trashed all comers, including drawing off to an overwhelming and fast win in the Preakness in just his 4th lifetime start.....nuff said

#18 07-10-2006, 04:44 PM

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BERNARDINI...emphatically....not much debate here IMO

Corinthian barely beat a horrible bunch of 3YOs this winter at GP, while Bernardini has trashed all comers, including drawing off to an overwhelming and fast win in the Preakness in just his 4th lifetime start.....nuff said

I wouldn't call Jazil, First Sam, and a few others terrible. Jazil was beaten pretty badly by him. Barbaro and Showing Up also came from GP this winter although he never raced them. Corinthian just isn't proven like Bernardini. I do agree though that Bernardini is a special horse. Barbaro and Bernardini might be two of the top 3yr olds in a long time.

Gander · #19 07-10-2006, 04:53 PM

"Barbaro and Bernardini might be two of the top 3yr olds in a long time."

You really think Bernardini is as good as Smarty or Alex for that matter? I mean one big win in a race marred by a tragic breakdown and the next logical contender nearly tripping over him losing any chance he may have had?

Wont argue with you about Barbaro. To me he did enough.

#20 07-10-2006, 04:59 PM

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"Barbaro and Bernardini might be two of the top 3yr olds in a long time."

You really think Bernardini is as good as Smarty or Alex for that matter? I mean one big win in a race marred by a tragic breakdown and the next logical contender nearly tripping over him losing any chance he may have had?

Wont argue with you about Barbaro. To me he did enough.

A guy connected to Barbaro told me Bernardini might be even better than him on the dirt. They still think Barbaro was the most talented horse on turf they have ever seen.