Vacare

[rgustafson]

I guess we found out where she fits now, somewhere below the best. No match for Citronnade and Price Tag today.

[brianwspencer]

It's her first loss. Her numbers certainly left her a cut below the very best of the division -- but I think there are still lots of good spots for her and I would expect a turnaround for her next time out.

With that said, very disappointing finish today.

[Scav]

Clemente, nuff said.....

[saucon17]

It would be nice to see her reunited with Carlos Marquez Jr. He rode her with a lot of confidence.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Scav

Clemente, nuff said.....

We discussed this a bit in the Selections room when you posted it and I just can't agree. I don't think that Clement had anything to do with Vacare not beating two better horses today. He has campaigned multiple successful horses and older turf females are his specialty. Coretta and Voodoo Dancer are two of the best examples.

Like I said in the Selections room I think she will end up being a very useful GII/GIII horse. I just can't see how she'd be in better hands with Chris Block rather than Clement.

NT

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

and in her most recent effort, the 2nd and 2rd place runners both disappointed at short odds.

Right on and even also-ran Calla Lily came back to disappoint at short odds in an allowance race. The Magna Distaff was not the race many thought it was.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Exactly. She still might be grade 1 quality, but the QEII last year came up light. No one has really come out of it running well, and in her most recent effort, the 2nd and 3rd place runners both disappointed at short odds. She might just be a cut below, but it has nothing to do with Clement.

I wouldn't be so quick to condemn the QEII, Citronnade came out of that one -- and Mauralakana came back (after a poly flop) to romp in a jog last week and Quiet Royal has proved useful at lesser levels.

Vacare may very well be suited more for GII or GIII events, but the QEII has produced several legit runners, in my opinion.

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I wouldn't be so quick to condemn the QEII, Citronnade came out of that one -- and Mauralakana came back (after a poly flop) to romp in a jog last week and Quiet Royal has proved useful at lesser levels.

Vacare may very well be suited more for GII or GIII events, but the QEII has produced several legit runners, in my opinion.

The QEII was a soft grade one and it didn't justify including her in my tickets. I thought she would at least put some early pressure on Citronnade. Well that didn't pan out and as a result Price Tag had no realistic chance to pass Citronnade. Really frustrated with Vacare's performance today. I didn't think it would be that bad.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Mauralakana beat an allowance field, like she should have as a huge favorite. Quiet Royal is a minor stakes horse at best. Citronade is a nice filly, sure. Point was, to blame Clement for the fillies performance today is ridiculous.

Of course Mauralakana was supposed to win, but she looked great doing it. I'm not saying she's the FM Turf champ this fall by any stretch, but she was as flawless as one can be beating an allowance field. Citronnade should be a factor going forward.

I agree that Clemente is not to blame, though I'd still prefer she be with Block.

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

The QEII was a soft grade one and it didn't justify including her in my tickets. I thought she would at least put some early pressure on Citronnade. Well that didn't pan out and as a result Price Tag had no realistic chance to pass Citronnade. Really frustrated with Vacare's performance today. I didn't think it would be that bad.

I'm frustrated with it too, since she's one of my favorite horses. She wasn't going to win, but it looked like she never fired anyway.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

The QEII was a soft grade one and it didn't justify including her in my tickets. I thought she would at least put some early pressure on Citronnade. Well that didn't pan out and as a result Price Tag had no realistic chance to pass Citronnade. Really frustrated with Vacare's performance today. I didn't think it would be that bad.

I don't think she fits with the very best. However, she is better than she showed today. That is not her type of turf course, first of all, and she is much better when not having to press the pace like she was forced to today. These are the type of horses I love to bet back when they find a race that suits their style. BTW, I can't wait to see Lady of Venice, Wait a While and Citronadde hook up.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I think Price Tag is the best turf filly we have in this country right now. She will get her revenge on Citronnade.

I was very impress the way she closed. someone needs to enter a rabbit against Citro. ,although I don't know if it would do any good.

I'm not sure we'll see Citronnade and Price Tag square off again until the Breeders Cup.