Comely - G2

[Sightseek]

I think this race came up pretty weak...so is Perfect Forest beatable? Visually, her last race was very impressive although the Beyer didn't come back super strong (84). Last race was a perfect set-up and she gets that distance again. I hate these sort of Stakes races.

Anyone think Fee Fi Fo Fum or Boca Grande are the goods to beat her?

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

I think this race came up pretty weak...so is Perfect Forest beatable? Visually, her last race was very impressive although the Beyer didn't come back super strong (84). Last race was a perfect set-up and she gets that distance again. I hate these sort of Stakes races.

Anyone think Fee Fi Fo Fum or Boca Grande are the goods to beat her?

I love Fee Fi Fo Fum here and did even before I saw she was trained by Jerkens. Ran third last out to horses who came back to run 1st and 4th in the Ashland in her first dirt start.

You know I was hyping Boca Grande before she ever started but I think she's been horrifically overrated over that slow stakes win. Not that she couldn't improve here but she hasn't shown me anything yet to include her on my ticket with the likes of Fee Fi Fo Fum in the race. We going to have a Cinderella/Jack and the Beanstalk Oaks exacta?

[SOREHOOF]

Any one of these could win.

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

Any one of these could win.

i will take boca grande, i like her going back to ny.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I love Fee Fi Fo Fum here and did even before I saw she was trained by Jerkens. Ran third last out to horses who came back to run 1st and 4th in the Ashland in her first dirt start.

You know I was hyping Boca Grande before she ever started but I think she's been horrifically overrated over that slow stakes win. Not that she couldn't improve here but she hasn't shown me anything yet to include her on my ticket with the likes of Fee Fi Fo Fum in the race. We going to have a Cinderella/Jack and the Beanstalk Oaks exacta?

I'm not sure I would elevate the Bonnie Miss because of the results of the polytrack Ashland. First of all, the easy winner was a very mediocre 4th with the second finisher a dream trip winner. But, mostly using two different surfaces to legitimize ( or minimize ) one of the races seems tricky at best.

Fee Fi Fo Fum had an absolutely perfect trip in the Bonnie Miss and did, at most, a negligible amount of running. I don't understand how you can say about Boca Grande, who at least ran OK in winning the Demoiselle, " she hasn't shown me anything yet to include her on my ticket with the likes of Fee Fi Fo Fum in the race " when the " likes of Fee Fi Fo Fum " seems, at best, to be fair.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not thrilled with Boca Grande's chances tomorrow, but as of now she is a far more accomplished horse than Fee Fi Fo Fum. Maybe that will change, but right now that's the case.

[SOREHOOF]

Desire to Excel over My Kitty.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

Any one of these could win.

I don't know about that. For instance, I would be inclined to take my chances against the Contessa foursome and the slug from Laurel.

[SOREHOOF]

I only see 3 from Contessa!

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

I only see 3 from Contessa!

You are correct sir. Sorry.

He has only three bad horses in the race.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'm not sure I would elevate the Bonnie Miss because of the results of the polytrack Ashland. First of all, the easy winner was a very mediocre 4th with the second finisher a dream trip winner. But, mostly using two different surfaces to legitimize ( or minimize ) one of the races seems tricky at best.

Fee Fi Fo Fum had an absolutely perfect trip in the Bonnie Miss and did, at most, a negligible amount of running. I don't understand how you can say about Boca Grande, who at least ran OK in winning the Demoiselle, " she hasn't shown me anything yet to include her on my ticket with the likes of Fee Fi Fo Fum in the race " when the " likes of Fee Fi Fo Fum " seems, at best, to be fair.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not thrilled with Boca Grande's chances tomorrow, but as of now she is a far more accomplished horse than Fee Fi Fo Fum. Maybe that will change, but right now that's the case.

I watched the replay of the race tonight and thought the same thing, although the comments in the DRF say 'unlucky' trip in the Bonnie Miss. No where did I see her lose momentum.

[SOREHOOF]

Being from Contessa is exactly why I can't toss em.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

I watched the replay of the race tonight and thought the same thing, although the comments in the DRF say 'unlucky' trip in the Bonnie Miss. No where did I see her lose momentum.

Yeah, I watched it a few times last night, looking for the phantom trouble from the chart line. I'm glad I'm not the only one that missed it. I think there is a tendency to find trouble in trips where horses are being held behind other horses especially in the pocket, where the horse is very visible, down the backstretch.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

Being from Contessa is exactly why I can't toss em.

Yeah, but he's had this crew for a while and they are decidedly mediocre and overmatched tomorrow.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'm not sure I would elevate the Bonnie Miss because of the results of the polytrack Ashland. First of all, the easy winner was a very mediocre 4th with the second finisher a dream trip winner. But, mostly using two different surfaces to legitimize ( or minimize ) one of the races seems tricky at best.

Fee Fi Fo Fum had an absolutely perfect trip in the Bonnie Miss and did, at most, a negligible amount of running. I don't understand how you can say about Boca Grande, who at least ran OK in winning the Demoiselle, " she hasn't shown me anything yet to include her on my ticket with the likes of Fee Fi Fo Fum in the race " when the " likes of Fee Fi Fo Fum " seems, at best, to be fair.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not thrilled with Boca Grande's chances tomorrow, but as of now she is a far more accomplished horse than Fee Fi Fo Fum. Maybe that will change, but right now that's the case.

I've only capped this on the basis of the Brisnet figures so the Beyers may paint a very different picture but in the Brisnet number Boca Grande is very slow. I've watched Get Ready Bertie be drastically overbet this year when she looked terrible on the Brisnet figures and now I expect the same with Boca Grande. We'll see who comes out on top tomorrow but I'll be betting it is FFFF or the Pletcher filly and most definitely not Boca Grande (despite the fact that I like her a lot).

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I've only capped this on the basis of the Brisnet figures so the Beyers may paint a very different picture but in the Brisnet number Boca Grande is very slow. I've watched Get Ready Bertie be drastically overbet this year when she looked terrible on the Brisnet figures and now I expect the same with Boca Grande. We'll see who comes out on top tomorrow but I'll be betting it is FFFF or the Pletcher filly and most definitely not Boca Grande (despite the fact that I like her a lot).

I'm not singing Boca Grande's praises, but right now she is more accomplished than Fee Fi Fo Fum, and am inclined to use neither tomorrow. Personally I'm interested in Lost Etiquette though if the track is playing like Friday it definitely elevates Perfect Forest and Desire To Excel.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Yeah, I watched it a few times last night, looking for the phantom trouble from the chart line. I'm glad I'm not the only one that missed it. I think there is a tendency to find trouble in trips where horses are being held behind other horses especially in the pocket, where the horse is very visible, down the backstretch.

This was a great example of one of those moments where you learn by doing your homework.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

This was a great example of one of those moments where you learn by doing your homework.

That's why watching replays is great.

[SOREHOOF]

The more I look at Desire to Excel the more I like her. 2nd start after 9 mos. on the bench might be a good play. If she runs back anywhere near her 2yo she will be tough. Just curious about the track condition.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'm not singing Boca Grande's praises, but right now she is more accomplished than Fee Fi Fo Fum, and am inclined to use neither tomorrow. Personally I'm interested in Lost Etiquette though if the track is playing like Friday it definitely elevates Perfect Forest and Desire To Excel.

I think Fee Fi Fo Fum could get beat tomorrow just because it is too short and it is one turn. I'm just hoping she runs well enough to go onto the Oaks cause I think she'd have a great shot there of at least hitting the board at long odds. Desire to Excel just screams sprinter at me and I won't be playing her. I agree that Lost Etiquette is dangerous.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I think Fee Fi Fo Fum could get beat tomorrow just because it is too short and it is one turn. I'm just hoping she runs well enough to go onto the Oaks cause I think she'd have a great shot there of at least hitting the board at long odds. Desire to Excel just screams sprinter at me and I won't be playing her. I agree that Lost Etiquette is dangerous.

The Kentucky Oaks? Are you serious? That's seems like a virtual impossibility. Not a Jimmy Jerkens type move. Plus, she would be WAY out of her league. I suppose if she runs well tomorrow he would consider the Black Eyed Susan.