Pete Rose

2MinsToPost · #1 03-14-2007, 09:14 PM

Comes clean

Ya'll hear?

2 Dollar Bill · #2 03-15-2007, 09:00 AM

Betting every reds game ! Do you think he had a problem ???

I wonder if he also ran the card games in the clubhouse ?

horseofcourse · #3 03-15-2007, 12:11 PM

If you believe that crap you'd believe anything. HE in no way bet on every single Reds game...just another shameless ploy by this degenerate to get into the hall of fame. let's see...if i say i bet on "every" Reds game, that means I would never do anything to lose. To me this statement means Rose absolutely bet against the Reds at times and tried to throw some to earn some green.

somerfrost · #4 03-15-2007, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse

If you believe that crap you'd believe anything. HE in no way bet on every single Reds game...just another shameless ploy by this degenerate to get into the hall of fame. let's see...if i say i bet on "every" Reds game, that means I would never do anything to lose. To me this statement means Rose absolutely bet against the Reds at times and tried to throw some to earn some green.

Wow...what a leap that is! Whatever Rose did or didn't do, unless they prove that he threw games...not just bet on them...I think he belongs in the HOF. How can you have a HOF and not include the all time hit leader, a guy who played the game with such passion? The HOF isn't about personality, it's about performance...Ruth wasn't exactly the All-American boy and where should I start with Cobb?? This is another case of punishing a guy for his personality and things he MAY have done...if there is no proof...he belongs in the HOF...same with Bonds when the time comes! Prove he used steroids etc and then it's a different story!

horseofcourse · #5 03-15-2007, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

Wow...what a leap that is! Whatever Rose did or didn't do, unless they prove that he threw games...not just bet on them...I think he belongs in the HOF. How can you have a HOF and not include the all time hit leader, a guy who played the game with such passion? The HOF isn't about personality, it's about performance...Ruth wasn't exactly the All-American boy and where should I start with Cobb?? This is another case of punishing a guy for his personality and things he MAY have done...if there is no proof...he belongs in the HOF...same with Bonds when the time comes! Prove he used steroids etc and then it's a different story!

Rose stated he bet on baseball. LIke it or not that is the number one rule in the game. He does not belong in the HOF in any way shape or form. IF you bet on baseball you are banned from the game period. If you aren't an all-american boy you aren't banned. Very different things you are talking about. He bet on baseball managing a team...he deserves every second of his ban whether he threw games or not. That is just my opinion. Gambling addiction is very serious, and I just believe he most likely got into all sorts of trouble owing money and he probably threw or tried to throw a game at some point.

This is punishing a guy for WHAT he did, it has nothing to do with his personality...the evidence was overwhelming so they banned him...only several years later when he realized he would be kept out of the Hall did he change his tune of never betting on baseball to actually admitting yes he did. He thinks this latest piece of info will just enhance his status. He has no status. He should never get within sniffing distance of the Hall.

Again just my opinion but I feel gambling is much more serious than even steroid use.

somerfrost · #6 03-15-2007, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Rose stated he bet on baseball. LIke it or not that is the number one rule in the game. He does not belong in the HOF in any way shape or form. IF you bet on baseball you are banned from the game period. If you aren't an all-american boy you aren't banned. Very different things you are talking about. He bet on baseball managing a team...he deserves every second of his ban whether he threw games or not. That is just my opinion. Gambling addiction is very serious, and I just believe he most likely got into all sorts of trouble owing money and he probably threw or tried to throw a game at some point.

This is punishing a guy for WHAT he did, it has nothing to do with his personality...the evidence was overwhelming so they banned him...only several years later when he realized he would be kept out of the Hall did he change his tune of never betting on baseball to actually admitting yes he did. He thinks this latest piece of info will just enhance his status. He has no status. He should never get within sniffing distance of the Hall.

Again just my opinion but I feel gambling is much more serious than even steroid use.

I agree that gambling...especially when it becomes impulsive to that degree is as serious as any addiction. I guess our disagreement centers around whether merely wagering on the game mandates lifetime...make that forever exclusion. I don't think it should. Shoeless Joe was excluded for allegedly fixing games, Rose for merely wagering on them...I think that's a big difference. I respect your opinion but I just disagree...if they PROVE he fixed games then that's different.

Danzig · #7 03-15-2007, 03:16 PM

i was listening to mike and mike on espn radio this morning when they discussed rose. they gave some very valid reasons why rose did NOT belong back in mgmt with a team, or in the HOF. i have a hard time believing he bet EVERY game--but then, i can't believe so many people are amazed that he admitted betting on his team-i always thought it had been established.
he broke the rules of baseball, i don't care how many hits he got, he tarnished his own image-no one did it for him. he should not have bet, certainly should not have bet on his own team. he has to say he bet them EVERY time. but after years of denying so much of what he now admits to, how the heck knows what to believe from him.
the hall of fame is still just that without him in it. i don't think baseball will feel the lack if he never gets in.

Storm Cadet · #8 03-15-2007, 04:06 PM

Steve B should try to get Rose on their gambling NCAA segment and get his input and picks

ddthetide · #9 03-15-2007, 04:07 PM

i heard some of the dan patrick interview live....i really don't think he surprised anyone with his comments. the surprise came that he did it live on espn radio.
he belongs in the HOF for his PLAY ON the field ! he should in NO WAY be allowed back into baseball !

i am no longer a baseball fan. i never came back after the last strike. pete rose is a great player from my youth and i had to suffer as "the big red machine" knock my pirates from the playoffs year after year. PR belongs in the HOF ! he belongs in before MOST of the other guys on that team.

timmgirvan · #10 03-15-2007, 05:11 PM

Rose belongs in HOF for his playing days! He should be and IS banned from Baseball for gambling on games. Other than that, he is a sad, non-story man whose life was on self destruct. No Mas, No Mas!

stevepopyak · #11 03-15-2007, 05:42 PM

I have the same opinion now that I did when the issue first came up ... he should be in the HOF for his play on the field but should not be allowed back in the game.

Danzig · #12 03-15-2007, 05:58 PM

thing is, he was still IN baseball when he gambled, it wasn't on the side--people bring up babe ruth and his drinking, or roger maris--but that wasn't in any way, shape or form a part of their baseball career. that was an issue in their private lives. this is not. he bet on the game while still a part of the game. he broke the rules, and agreed to a lifetime ban. of course that no longer seems to mean anything-honesty, integrity, giving your word and meaning it. so now he wants to go back on all that--maybe he can go into rehab, that seems to be the order of the day now--then they'll let him in for sure.

Pointg5 · #13 03-16-2007, 05:10 AM

He's a complete dirtball, at one time I thought he should be in the HOF, but for the way he lies, they should keep him out.

I am from the same part of town as him, his son went to my HS, and growing up I would see Pete all of the time watching his son play, as a kid in Cincinnati you were taught to worship him and I did, but enough is enough, he needs to go away and shut up, maybe after he's gone for about 20 years he should get in.

It's all his fault and he's a dirtbag and habitual liar....