Ann Coulter: Name-caller

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She actually plays well to the conservatives that like the anorexic look and to the homo-phobes. Since she's unable to defend the actions of the administration she loves so much (now 29%, less than Nixon during Watergate), at least she's good at name calling.
For sure, Edwards is laughing, as am I. Pathetic Ann, pathetic. Maybe a centerfold spread in the New Republic will help you regain your "credibility".
NAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!http://www.capitolhillblue.com/cm/content/view/153/150/

Ann....you'd be funny if you weren't SO sad.

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A bit more about her "spread". Go wide Annie!
http://www.opednews.com/articles/ope...itches_pos.htm

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Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

A bit more about her "spread". Go wide Annie!
http://www.opednews.com/articles/ope...itches_pos.htm

I admit that she's far far over the line but as your original link pointed out...there are folks like Al Franken (sp?) on the left who are just as bad. I don't think we'll ever again witness a political contest that focuses on issues rather than people...and that's the sad thing, not the rantings of an individual!

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

I admit that she's far far over the line but as your original link pointed out...there are folks like Al Franken (sp?) on the left who are just as bad. I don't think we'll ever again witness a political contest that focuses on issues rather than people...and that's the sad thing, not the rantings of an individual!

SF, You might be correct in your assessment.
I know I didn't put the words into her mouth, nor did I choose to speak to the audience where it was played.
To me, it is indeed sad when intelligent debate goes to "name calling", but what's to be expected when current policies are indefensible?
I'm ready for the impeachment proceedings to begin, then the war crimes trials. Leave out Al Franken...let's hold the real culprits to accountability.

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Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

SF, You might be correct in your assessment.
I know I didn't put the words into her mouth, nor did I choose to speak to the audience where it was played.
To me, it is indeed sad when intelligent debate goes to "name calling", but what's to be expected when current policies are indefensible?
I'm ready for the impeachment proceedings to begin, then the war crimes trials. Leave out Al Franken...let's hold the real culprits to accountability.

The only difference between guys like Al and the Bush folks is that one is in power, the other isn't!

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SF,
Here's a link to Tom's blog. I think more like him than I do Annie.
http://www.tomdegan.blogspot.com/

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Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

SF,
Here's a link to Tom's blog. I think more like him than I do Annie.
http://www.tomdegan.blogspot.com/

Same type of rhetoric...disgusting! The worst thing that could happen to this country would be the prosecution of a President for anything remotely political, Nixon broke the criminal law of this country and he was rightly pardoned...talk of criminal action against Bush is only a small step above talk of assassination...not a road civilized folks in a democracy should ever travel...this is the rhetoric of a third world country where the basic concepts of freedom are new and misunderstood and an affront to this great nation...shameful!!

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

Same type of rhetoric...disgusting! The worst thing that could happen to this country would be the prosecution of a President for anything remotely political, Nixon broke the criminal law of this country and he was rightly pardoned...talk of criminal action against Bush is only a small step above talk of assassination...not a road civilized folks in a democracy should ever travel...this is the rhetoric of a third world country where the basic concepts of freedom are new and misunderstood and an affront to this great nation...shameful!!

Shameful? Disgusting? Huh?
"I am a uniter, not a divider."
'NUF said.

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And DTS, all you have to do is check out the thread here on Hillary...the degree of hatred shown this woman already...if she does become President, what do you think these right-wing types will be saying then? Do you really think personal attacks are good for our society???

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

And DTS, all you have to do is check out the thread here on Hillary...the degree of hatred shown this woman already...if she does become President, what do you think these right-wing types will be saying then? Do you really think personal attacks are good for our society???

Good question SF.
I'll just say that both sides make plenty of excuses. And, as you said, one is in power, the other isn't.
So...
It seems to me that the ones in power have to come up with much more valid excuses than the ones that aren't.
There's plenty of hatred going on...from both sides.
Now, here is Ann's excuse...she was trying to be funny.
http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline...he_weeken.html

To me, I don't see much humor in name calling, inciting hatred, killing innocents, nor waging wars of choice.
In my humble view, this used to be a great country before the excusers got a death grip on it. The shame is that we have reaped what we have sewn.
Did you catch any of the excuses that have been offered to the wounded vets at Walter Reed?
Let's hold those that took away liberties, care for the wounded, waged hegemonous wars in the name of "protection", and other high crimes and misdemeanors accountable for their actions.
Enough is enough.

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Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Good question SF.
I'll just say that both sides make plenty of excuses. And, as you said, one is in power, the other isn't.
So...
It seems to me that the ones in power have to come up with much more valid excuses than the ones that aren't.
There's plenty of hatred going on...from both sides.
Now, here is Ann's excuse...she was trying to be funny.
http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline...he_weeken.html

To me, I don't see much humor in name calling, inciting hatred, killing innocents, nor waging wars of choice.
In my humble view, this used to be a great country before the excusers got a death grip on it. The shame is that we have reaped what we have sewn.
Did you catch any of the excuses that have been offered to the wounded vets at Walter Reed?
Let's hold those that took away liberties, care for the wounded, waged hegemonous wars in the name of "protection", and other high crimes and misdemeanors accountable for their actions.
Enough is enough.

I don't disagree regarding responsibility but...the way to deal with this mess is to debate the issues and elect a capable person to office (White House as well as Congress)...Bush and his excuse-makers should be "punished" by being voted out of office, history will have the conclusive say on his Presidency. My problem is this talk of Impeachment and worse...dangerous! Remember that the Republican zealots tried to remove a President from office for his sexual behavior...we simply don't need that kind of hate-mongering! If there is direct and compelling evidence that a crime was committed, then that's another matter but as much as we may disagree with the decisions made, that's not grounds for screwing with the Constitution...there is a reason why no President has been removed from office! The Vet thing is shameful...absolutely shameful! But I doubt it's the personal responsibility of the President. Iraq is a mess...but both parties agreed to the war and all the name calling doesn't replace action to change direction...and that action still hasn't happened! Personal liberties vs protection from Terrorism is a debatable subject, where should the lines be drawn? I think this Administration has gone way to far but again...that's not criminal, it's political! Congress could have forcefully addressed this issue and it did...it sided with the Administration despite the rhetoric! Do we remove Senators and Congresspersons from office? Do we charge everyone in office with "war crimes"? We the people have the power to correct this mess by demanding standards, demanding debate not name-calling, and voting for competent leaders...we get what we deserve quite frankly!

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

I don't disagree regarding responsibility but...the way to deal with this mess is to debate the issues and elect a capable person to office (White House as well as Congress)...Bush and his excuse-makers should be "punished" by being voted out of office, history will have the conclusive say on his Presidency. My problem is this talk of Impeachment and worse...dangerous! Remember that the Republican zealots tried to remove a President from office for his sexual behavior...we simply don't need that kind of hate-mongering! If there is direct and compelling evidence that a crime was committed, then that's another matter but as much as we may disagree with the decisions made, that's not grounds for screwing with the Constitution...there is a reason why no President has been removed from office! The Vet thing is shameful...absolutely shameful! But I doubt it's the personal responsibility of the President. Iraq is a mess...but both parties agreed to the war and all the name calling doesn't replace action to change direction...and that action still hasn't happened! Personal liberties vs protection from Terrorism is a debatable subject, where should the lines be drawn? I think this Administration has gone way to far but again...that's not criminal, it's political! Congress could have forcefully addressed this issue and it did...it sided with the Administration despite the rhetoric! Do we remove Senators and Congresspersons from office? Do we charge everyone in office with "war crimes"? We the people have the power to correct this mess by demanding standards, demanding debate not name-calling, and voting for competent leaders...we get what we deserve quite frankly!

SF,
Your response was long and thoughtful.
Many of your questions deserve answers.
Regrets that I'm not privy to the information you seek.
OK...
Let's start with the assertion that both parties endorsed going to war with Iraq.
Has the "intelligence" provided for such been called to question as being faulty? Who provided it? Answer, the same guy that said it would be a "slam dunk". A Bush CIA appointee.
Who appointed the prvious Sec of Defense?
Yes, the American people are demanding answers. There is nothing wrong with that.
I disagree with you in that I think that Nixon should have been held accountable for his decisions rather than accepting a pardon from Ford (an admission of guilt).
The United States set precedent at Nuremburg, and the rest of the world saw. Times have changed, but the standards haven't.
In my view, the only way the USA can regain any semblance of credibility with the countries with which we share this planet is to hold our leaders, those who have made decisions that affect those others as well as ourselves,
to be held accountable for their decisions that were sold based on lies, that were bought by a fearful populace after 9-11, and that no amount of name calling will excuse their actions in any court of law.
The dead don't speak.
The murderers should answer.
The world is watching.
The world is waiting.
As you said, "We all deserve that."

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Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

SF,
Your response was long and thoughtful.
Many of your questions deserve answers.
Regrets that I'm not privy to the information you seek.
OK...
Let's start with the assertion that both parties endorsed going to war with Iraq.
Has the "intelligence" provided for such been called to question as being faulty? Who provided it? Answer, the same guy that said it would be a "slam dunk". A Bush CIA appointee.
Who appointed the prvious Sec of Defense?
Yes, the American people are demanding answers. There is nothing wrong with that.
I disagree with you in that I think that Nixon should have been held accountable for his decisions rather than accepting a pardon from Ford (an admission of guilt).
The United States set precedent at Nuremburg, and the rest of the world saw. Times have changed, but the standards haven't.
In my view, the only way the USA can regain any semblance of credibility with the countries with which we share this planet is to hold our leaders, those who have made decisions that affect those others as well as ourselves,
to be held accountable for their decisions that were sold based on lies, that were bought by a fearful populace after 9-11, and that no amount of name calling will excuse their actions in any court of law.
The dead don't speak.
The murderers should answer.
The world is watching.
The world is waiting.
As you said, "We all deserve that."

It's a good argument...my response has to be in the form of a question though....do you really think that if we prosecuted members of the Bush Administration for "war crimes" or other misdeeds that the countries of the world would really care? Would it be seen as anything more than symbolic? Isn't the only way to undo the mistakes of the past is to chart a new course, new policies, new attitudes toward the world community? Tangible instead of symbolic...drug availability for AIDS victims, food for the starving, respect for all beliefs and a place at the table for the disenfranchised?

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

It's a good argument...my response has to be in the form of a question though....do you really think that if we prosecuted members of the Bush Administration for "war crimes" or other misdeeds that the countries of the world would really care? Would it be seen as anything more than symbolic? Isn't the only way to undo the mistakes of the past is to chart a new course, new policies, new attitudes toward the world community? Tangible instead of symbolic...drug availability for AIDS victims, food for the starving, respect for all beliefs and a place at the table for the disenfranchised?

SF,
Here's one of my favorite quotations, "The longest journey begins with the first step."
The world has been held hostage to the decisions of the Bush administration equally as it once was to the decisions of Hitler and his supporters.
The United States set a standard of accountability.
Does the rest of the world care?
I can't answer that.
I'll just speak for myself. I do.
Can we undo mistakes?
No.
There are no do overs.
Can we forge new policies, new attitudes...even (dare I say? a new VISION rather than spreading greed, death and chaos)?
I certainly hope so.
The way to peace demands resolving the violence of the past. It also involves holding those that created war to account.
Once that step is taken, the next step can be taken.
If not, the feet become tangled and we all fall down.
Remember, "the longest journey begins with the first step."

Your visions of future needs like AIDS, food for the starving, respect for the beliefs of others...heck, let's also throw in cures for other diseases like cancers and cardio...also a renewable energy agenda based on hydrogen, and a resolution of global warming...

Unfortunately, unless the anchor rope that holds us to the past remains uncut, the anchor continues to hold the ship. There is no sailing.
There is also no safe harbor.

Peace.

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Somerfrost,
Please excuse my double post.
Your questions got me thinking.

I know you have a background in psychology and counseling.
So, if you don't mind my asking (and I only ask because I'm somewhat analytical), do you see familiar patterns between Ann, Bush, domestic violence, and other situations....?

The pattern:
1) Tension building (name calling, saber rattling, threat behaviors)
2) Outbreak of violence (invasion, aggression)
3) Period of remorse (excuse making, forgiveness seeking, promising to change...honeymoon coming)
4) Repeat steps 1-3...endlessly

Thanks for your anticipated response.

DTS

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Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Somerfrost,
Please excuse my double post.
Your questions got me thinking.

I know you have a background in psychology and counseling.
So, if you don't mind my asking (and I only ask because I'm somewhat analytical), do you see familiar patterns between Ann, Bush, domestic violence, and other situations....?

The pattern:
1) Tension building (name calling, saber rattling, threat behaviors)
2) Outbreak of violence (invasion, aggression)
3) Period of remorse (excuse making, forgiveness seeking, promising to change...honeymoon coming)
4) Repeat steps 1-3...endlessly

Thanks for your anticipated response.

DTS

Hummm, I would say it qualifies as an analogy but understand that you are comparing a personalized event with one of much larger scope...domestic violence almost always centers around control and the need to possess another person, there isn't a specific belief involved. Bush et al believe they are "right" and they have ultimate (as much as the Constitution allows anyway) power, an abusive spouse is seeking that control, that domination, that "ownership" if you will....different dynamics I think. Abuse comes from a bastardization of love while the actions of Bush could best be described as a bastardization of power...I agree the analogy is defensible but I would question whether it defines what has happened.

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

Hummm, I would say it qualifies as an analogy but understand that you are comparing a personalized event with one of much larger scope...domestic violence almost always centers around control and the need to possess another person, there isn't a specific belief involved. Bush et al believe they are "right" and they have ultimate (as much as the Constitution allows anyway) power, an abusive spouse is seeking that control, that domination, that "ownership" if you will....different dynamics I think. Abuse comes from a bastardization of love while the actions of Bush could best be described as a bastardization of power...I agree the analogy is defensible but I would question whether it defines what has happened.

Thanks Somer,
I look at the actions rather than the motivations. You raise some interesting commonalities, control, power preservation (domination), breakdown of belief structures to remain "right".
There remain some that "love" Bush, and refuse to see his "bastardization of power".
Thanks for your insight. There just might be more similarities than I had previously seen.

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Back to Ann...
The Dems are appalled.
The Repubs are running away from her comments.
Now...the Conservatives weigh in...
http://www.kxmb.com/getARticle.asp?ArticleId=101563

Good bye Ann!

On a side note, if the peace makers are "blessed", where does that leave the war makers?

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Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Back to Ann...
The Dems are appalled.
The Repubs are running away from her comments.
Now...the Conservatives weigh in...
http://www.kxmb.com/getARticle.asp?ArticleId=101563

Good bye Ann!

On a side note, if the peace makers are "blessed", where does that leave the war makers?

This is justice, her remarks should have consequences! Regarding your last sentence...don't try and simplify things that much...remember Ecclesiastes 3.

Someone at school told be she needed a good beehatch slap.

I think I understand what they meant now.