Pletcher BC positive; Hearing pending

Kasept · #1 12-05-2008, 11:04 AM

Split sample results finally end month of speculation as Pletcher hit with procaine positive on Wait a While's BC F&M Turf third..

http://www.drf.com/news/article/100363.html

Pletcher had reportedly Emailed clients yesterday informing them of the results of the CHRB investigation.

Further, unconfirmed reports have Overbrook Farms having recently removed horses from Pletcher's care.

CSC · #2 12-05-2008, 11:12 AM

This is a good lightening rod for a discussion topic, for awhile now I have wanted to mention the all too familiar "previously trained by Todd Pletcher" comment line recently seen in the lines of the racing form. It would seem Todd has gone from wonderboy to just boy now, interesting Metamorphisis in the relative fall of an Eclipse winning trainer.

Dr. Watson · #3 12-05-2008, 11:22 AM

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It would seem Todd has gone from wonderboy to just boy now, interesting Metamorphisis in the relative fall of an Eclipse winning trainer.

steve asmussen will win the eclipse this year. im not so sure his victory would restore a whole lot of integrity back to the name of eclipse award winning trainer. overbrook still has horses that race? holy toledo!

VOL JACK · #4 12-05-2008, 11:29 AM

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steve asmussen will win the eclipse this year. im not so sure his victory would restore a whole lot of integrity back to the name of eclipse award winning trainer. overbrook still has horses that race? holy toledo!

Yeah, most of the Overbrook horses are with Dallas Stewart. Thus, why you never hear of any of them.

-BT- · #5 12-05-2008, 11:45 AM

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Yeah, most of the Overbrook horses are with Dallas Stewart. Thus, why you never hear of any of them.

someone tell D.Wayne Lukas to get some additional stalls for his next meet please, he should be receiving a call here shortly

-bt-

Oaklawnfan · #6 12-05-2008, 11:57 AM

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someone tell D.Wayne Lukas to get some additional stalls for his next meet please, he should be receiving a call here shortly

-bt-

It's a little crowded, but he could take them all to Oaklawn.

parsixfarms · #7 12-05-2008, 12:03 PM

With the new drug rules that the Breeders' Cup put in place earlier this year, if this finding is upheld, would it mean that Pletcher is ineligible to participate in next year's Breeders' Cup?

Scav · #8 12-05-2008, 12:08 PM

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With the new drug rules that the Breeders' Cup put in place earlier this year, if this finding is upheld, would it mean that Pletcher is ineligible to participate in next year's Breeders' Cup?

GREAT point!!

CSC · #9 12-05-2008, 12:12 PM

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With the new drug rules that the Breeders' Cup put in place earlier this year, if this finding is upheld, would it mean that Pletcher is ineligible to participate in next year's Breeders' Cup?

Don't know if it would affect his participation in next years BC, however Todd's fall from grace has been ongoing for awhile now, I think anyone who watched Gulfstream Park in 2008 kind of had the feeling this wasn't the same Pletcher profile that pretty much decimated the competition from previous years. Incredible considering he still had most wins for a trainer this winter.

philcski · #10 12-05-2008, 12:16 PM

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Don't know if it would affect his participation in next years BC, however Todd's fall from grace has been ongoing for awhile now, I think anyone who watched Gulfstream Park in 2008 kind of had the feeling this wasn't the same Pletcher profile that pretty much decimated the competition from previous years. Incredible considering he still had most wins for a trainer this winter.

Actually it could be traced back to Saratoga '07, where he had an off meet (Lawyer Ron excluded) but everyone kind of wrote it off as his stock being depleted. Maybe there's more to the story there.

the_fat_man · #11 12-05-2008, 12:17 PM

The dude had some of the best clients around and was/is juicing. What else is there to say?

Any doubt he was juicing during his 'glory' period?

Another cheater.

CSC · #12 12-05-2008, 12:20 PM

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Actually it could be traced back to Saratoga '07, where he had an off meet (Lawyer Ron excluded) but everyone kind of wrote it off as his stock being depleted. Maybe there's more to the story there.

Yes, I remember that also. I believe there is another high profile trainer that also slowed down or returned to earth at about this time. Since I want to post responsibly I won't mention his name, but it's easy to figure out who I am thinking of, he's known to train for a well known Saudi Owner.

Antitrust32 · #13 12-05-2008, 12:22 PM

the best trainers in the past how many years are the guys with the best chemists.

Maybe that is why we had to take two semesters of Chemistry for the Race Track Industry Program degree...

philcski · #14 12-05-2008, 12:23 PM

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The dude had some of the best clients around and was/is juicing. What else is there to say?

Any doubt he was juicing during his 'glory' period?

Another cheater.

None. Been saying this for a long time.

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Yes, I remember that also. I believe there is another high profile trainer that also slowed down or returned to earth at about this time. Since I want to post responsibly I won't mention his name, but it's easy to figure out who I am thinking of, he's known to train for a well known Saudi Owner.

KMc? Doubtful. His winning profile is consistent with the stock that he has.

CSC · #15 12-05-2008, 12:25 PM

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None. Been saying this for a long time.

KMc? Doubtful. His winning profile is consistent with the stock that he has.

Phil, it's the the other one, out west until recently. He splits stables.

Antitrust32 · #16 12-05-2008, 12:30 PM

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None. Been saying this for a long time.

KMc? Doubtful. His winning profile is consistent with the stock that he has.

think he meant Baffert.... he trained for the dead Saudi terrorist...

philcski · #17 12-05-2008, 12:30 PM

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Phil, it's the the other one, out west until recently. He splits stables.

Hmmm... I'm stumped. Back to the drawing board.

Thanks for clarifying- I have the utmost respect for KMc, by the way. One of the few high % trainers I am 98% sure is not utilizing illegal chemistry.

CSC · #18 12-05-2008, 12:30 PM

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think he meant Baffert.... he trained for the dead Saudi terrorist...

BF guys...

Antitrust32 · #19 12-05-2008, 12:32 PM

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BF guys...

what does BF mean?

CSC · #20 12-05-2008, 12:34 PM

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what does BF mean?

Gosh do I have to spell it out, his initials. Remember the day he would take over the training of a horse, this happened once off a Mdn win, put her in a graded stk and would win silly. It happened.