Oak Tree renames the Lady's Secret the Zenyatta

[smuthg]

Originally Posted by Kasept

This is a central point in the wrong-headedness of renaming stakes. Whether it's naming this race for Zenyatta, or let's say the Kilroe Mile after Bobby Frankel, you effectively diminish the accomplishments of the previous moniker-holder and quash the intended honor of the entire process. It demonstrates complete and utter disregard for the history of the sport. As I said last night, by doing this, it says that when a horse comes along better than Zenyatta in 20 years, they'd paint over Zenyatta too... It's a self-defeating action that cheapens what should be your most sacrosanct events. It's pathetic.

Well put... I'm all for "honoring" horses with naming races after them, but this re-naming stuff has to stop.

They should put a condition on the race "for horses who haven't raced outside of California this year".

[TouchOfGrey]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

They should put a condition on the race "for horses who haven't raced outside of California this year".

[brianwspencer]

I think there was a PG1985 interview, if I recall, where he mentioned that every runner beaten by Rachel from the Woodward, Preakness, and KY Oaks all won their next starts in Grade I company.

I think he said the average winning margin for those horses combined was something like 14 lengths, too, and one of them did it, winning by 25 lengths, carrying 170 pounds over jumps on an alternate portion of a dirt course giving the rest of the field a quarter mile headstart and running uphill both ways...and her rider said that horse is even better on the turf too!

That's just one of the really exceptional things that I pulled from my memory to clearly indicate how superior Rachel is in every way, about everything.

[Antitrust32]

Where has PG/RHT been?

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Where has PG/RHT been?

Getting up to speed at his new job at Bob Gary Racing.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

Getting up to speed at his new job at Bob Gary Racing.

you are joking, right?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

Getting up to speed at his new job at Bob Gary Racing.

More dead weight??

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by DerbyCat

Rtotally a great race! Can I run in it next year?! I'd so stay a virgin to win a race named after me! OH MY GOD!"[/i]

That actually almost happened in the early 1970s. A gelding named Petty Officer won three consecutive runnings of the Timeform Gold Trophy at Redcar (Britain), so they renamed it for him. And the next year he ran second in the race named for him.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Kasept

This is a central point in the wrong-headedness of renaming stakes. Whether it's naming this race for Zenyatta, or let's say the Kilroe Mile after Bobby Frankel, you effectively diminish the accomplishments of the previous moniker-holder and quash the intended honor of the entire process. It demonstrates complete and utter disregard for the history of the sport. As I said last night, by doing this, it says that when a horse comes along better than Zenyatta in 20 years, they'd paint over Zenyatta too... It's a self-defeating action that cheapens what should be your most sacrosanct events. It's pathetic.

A different tune will be sung when they name a race after RA.

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by Kasept

This is a central point in the wrong-headedness of renaming stakes. Whether it's naming this race for Zenyatta, or let's say the Kilroe Mile after Bobby Frankel, you effectively diminish the accomplishments of the previous moniker-holder and quash the intended honor of the entire process. It demonstrates complete and utter disregard for the history of the sport. As I said last night, by doing this, it says that when a horse comes along better than Zenyatta in 20 years, they'd paint over Zenyatta too... It's a self-defeating action that cheapens what should be your most sacrosanct events. It's pathetic.

Thank you. I was upset when great mares like Firenze and Maskette were erased by the NYRA. Why was there a need to change the Santa Susana S, which had years of history, to the Santa Anita Oaks? Because we idiots couldn't figure out that the Santa Susana was their Oaks race? Ditto the Oak Tree Derby (and Volante is actually buried on the grounds, so rolling over in his grave when his name was taken off the race might have had an effect!)

[Merlinsky]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

A different tune will be sung when they name a race after RA.

No one's criticizing naming a race after Zenyatta. They're criticizing renaming the Lady's Secret after Zenyatta. There are races with names that are frankly less controversial if you wanted to rename something but I'm sure they wanted to rename a G1. The Mosses should've gone with their first instinct.

Was there any reluctance to start a new race based on things like having to make the minimum purse for a G1 or having to go through the effort of getting the race up to that level without the momentum the Lady's Secret has? I guess if they take a G2 or G3 and slap her name on there, trying to get it up to G1, there'd be a gap for non-G1 horses trying to get a graded win.

Rachel will undoubtedly get a race named after her but there are ways to go about it that are better than others. We'll judge that situation when it happens. Gonna take a guess we're looking at CD, Pimlico, or Saratoga although Monmouth is certainly not beyond the realm. It's just the Oaks, Preakness, and Woodward were particularly stunning within her own personal history. At least that's what I figure, but her whole career's pretty incredible. I dunno what Saratoga's general habit has been with naming races after horses as compared to CD or Pim.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Merlinsky

No one's criticizing naming a race after Zenyatta. They're criticizing renaming the Lady's Secret after Zenyatta. There are races with names that are frankly less controversial if you wanted to rename something but I'm sure they wanted to rename a G1. The Mosses should've gone with their first instinct.

Was there any reluctance to start a new race based on things like having to make the minimum purse for a G1 or having to go through the effort of getting the race up to that level without the momentum the Lady's Secret has? I guess if they take a G2 or G3 and slap her name on there, trying to get it up to G1, there'd be a gap for non-G1 horses trying to get a graded win.

Rachel will undoubtedly get a race named after her but there are ways to go about it that are better than others. We'll judge that situation when it happens. Gonna take a guess we're looking at CD, Pimlico, or Saratoga although Monmouth is certainly not beyond the realm. It's just the Oaks, Preakness, and Woodward were particularly stunning within her own personal history. At least that's what I figure, but her whole career's pretty incredible. I dunno what Saratoga's general habit has been with naming races after horses as compared to CD or Pim.

exactly! zenyatta may deserve a race, but why suddenly doesn't lady's secret?

[letswastemoney]

Something like the NYRA Mile being renamed the Cigar Mile was a good idea, since it didn't already have a legendary horse in its title in the first place.

[2MinsToPost]

Originally Posted by Kasept

This is a central point in the wrong-headedness of renaming stakes. Whether it's naming this race for Zenyatta, or let's say the Kilroe Mile after Bobby Frankel, you effectively diminish the accomplishments of the previous moniker-holder and quash the intended honor of the entire process. It demonstrates complete and utter disregard for the history of the sport. As I said last night, by doing this, it says that when a horse comes along better than Zenyatta in 20 years, they'd paint over Zenyatta too... It's a self-defeating action that cheapens what should be your most sacrosanct events. It's pathetic.

As goes with most folks this day in time -

history means nothing. What have you done for ME lately is all that matters.

This is the main reason why I know longer have the love for motorsports that I once loved, they have seemed to forget what helped get them, as an industry, to today.

[Merlinsky]

Is anybody actually naming a race after Bobby or was that just part of an example to make a point?

[copying]

I think they should name the 4th race at Charlestown for RA -- formerly known as the "Jimbo's Bar & Grill" purse...

[alphanumeric1]

Zenyatta should come out of retirement (if she really is retired) and win the Grade 1 Zenyattta next year. It will be the first time a horse has won a race named after themselves. Then if she goes to Churchill and wins the Classic next year, we should go back in time and award her the HOY for both 2009 and 2010.

[ateamstupid]

This is an easy one. Just rename the Kentucky Oaks the Rachel Alexandra iz Hella Awesome!!!1!11!! Stakes. That should one-up these whores.

Seriously, what a bunch of jokers behind this horse. Mike Smith says she's even better on the dirt. Whoever was conducting the interview should've given that toolbox a swirlie right then and there.

[copying]

[quote=ateamstupid]This is an easy one. Just rename the Kentucky Oaks the Rachel Alexandra iz Hella Awesome!!!1!11!! Stakes. That should one-up these whores.

Seriously, what a bunch of jokers behind this horse. Mike Smith says she's even better on the dirt. Whoever was conducting the interview should've given that toolbox a swirlie right then and there.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I suppose you know better than the jockey that's been on her all her life.