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Old 04-27-2021, 10:31 AM
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Old 04-27-2021, 10:52 AM
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I am probably in the minority but I love the draw for Known Agenda. With the new starting gate and the fact he wouldn't be an early pace setter, he could get a nice rail trip. He'll have to negotiate some traffic but he's got Irad aboard and has shown he can take kickback and move through traffic.

And the post might scare some potential bettors away, so you might get a higher price on him than you would otherwise.
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Old 04-27-2021, 11:13 AM
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I am probably in the minority but I love the draw for Known Agenda. With the new starting gate and the fact he wouldn't be an early pace setter, he could get a nice rail trip. He'll have to negotiate some traffic but he's got Irad aboard and has shown he can take kickback and move through traffic.

And the post might scare some potential bettors away, so you might get a higher price on him than you would otherwise.
Horse is a closer anyway so probably doesnít hurt him as much. My gut says he peaked last race and donít think Iíll be using him on ticket. He seems to be a tri or super horse at best. With that being said I probably put him in winners circle
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Old 04-27-2021, 11:32 AM
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Old 04-27-2021, 12:19 PM
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Horse is a closer anyway so probably doesnít hurt him as much. My gut says he peaked last race and donít think Iíll be using him on ticket. He seems to be a tri or super horse at best. With that being said I probably put him in winners circle
I don't think he peaked last race but who knows what kind of trip he will get. Ideally, he gets a nice rail trip somewhere in the 2nd wave of horses but maybe he gets shuffled back more than he'd like.

After looking at the field, my biggest concern with that post is that he's right next to Drayden Van Dyke, who I'd guess is the most likely jockey to wipe someone out at the start of this race.
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Old 04-27-2021, 12:44 PM
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I am probably in the minority but I love the draw for Known Agenda. With the new starting gate and the fact he wouldn't be an early pace setter, he could get a nice rail trip. He'll have to negotiate some traffic but he's got Irad aboard and has shown he can take kickback and move through traffic.

And the post might scare some potential bettors away, so you might get a higher price on him than you would otherwise.
Well he was my horse but now I'm definitely looking elsewhere...so you might be on to something!
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Well he was my horse but now I'm definitely looking elsewhere...so you might be on to something!
I wouldn't toss him just yet. Maybe it was hyperbolic to say that I love the post...but I'm not put off by it.

I'm not sure how much speed is next to him. O Besos and Keepmeinmind are late runners and the other 3 are not particularly fast, though neither is Known Agenda.
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I wouldn't toss him just yet. Maybe it was hyperbolic to say that I love the post...but I'm not put off by it.

I'm not sure how much speed is next to him. O Besos and Keepmeinmind are late runners and the other 3 are not particularly fast, though neither is Known Agenda.
Known Agenda actually kept in contact and got first run on Highly Motivated while sprinting in a Belmont maiden race back in September. Granted, the latter broke slow and was bottled up most of the race.
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Old 04-27-2021, 01:58 PM
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Known Agenda actually kept in contact and got first run on Highly Motivated while sprinting in a Belmont maiden race back in September. Granted, the latter broke slow and was bottled up most of the race.
Good points, and that was before Pletcher added blinkers.
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Will the Old Forester be shown anywhere on TV?
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I am probably in the minority but I love the draw for Known Agenda. With the new starting gate and the fact he wouldn't be an early pace setter, he could get a nice rail trip. He'll have to negotiate some traffic but he's got Irad aboard and has shown he can take kickback and move through traffic.

And the post might scare some potential bettors away, so you might get a higher price on him than you would otherwise.
Any horse in the 1 hole is going to get avoided by the experienced bettors.
But why do one when you can cover 3. If you look at the odds of last last few years of the horse in the 1 hole a show bet on him will probably pay 10-1+. In 2017 Lookin at lee paid 15.20. Thats a good bet.

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Will the Old Forester be shown anywhere on TV?
People also ask...

Will the Kentucky Derby be televised?


The 2021 Kentucky Derby will air on May 1 from 12:30 to 2:30 p.m. ET on NBCSN and from 2:30 to 7:30 p.m. ET on NBC. Coverage is also available to stream live on NBCSports.com and on the NBC

Thats full coverage I think.
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and...

https://www.horseracingnation.com/ne...e_for_rain_123

https://www.accuweather.com/en/us/lo...orecast/348428
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Any horse in the 1 hole is going to get avoided by the experienced bettors.
But why do one when you can cover 3. If you look at the odds of last last few years of the horse in the 1 hole a show bet on him will probably pay 10-1+. In 2017 Lookin at lee paid 15.20. Thats a good bet.

https://www.equibase.com/premium/cha...7&cy=USA&rn=12
Lookin at Lee was 33-1. Known Agenda will not be anywhere near 33-1.
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People also ask...

Will the Kentucky Derby be televised?


The 2021 Kentucky Derby will air on May 1 from 12:30 to 2:30 p.m. ET on NBCSN and from 2:30 to 7:30 p.m. ET on NBC. Coverage is also available to stream live on NBCSports.com and on the NBC

Thats full coverage I think.
They usually have the race going on in the background with some stupid interview going on or the announcers blabbing about hats or something if I remember correctly...though admittedly I am generally pretty loaded by that time.
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Here's a link to the Derby Preview video I taped earlier...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydRQm60FOPI
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Here's a link to the Derby Preview video I taped earlier...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydRQm60FOPI
Good stuff. You in Louisville yet? Enjoy the time there.
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