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Old 05-15-2013, 07:45 PM
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Default 5/18 (PIM): 138th Preakness S. (G1); 7 Undercard Stakes

4th (12:30) Rollicking S.

5 Furlongs | Open | 2 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $100,000

1 New Zone No Rider 114 LA
2 John Bailey Russell S 117 FTL-A
3 Debt Ceiling Camacho E 122 L
4 No Nay Never No Rider 122 L
5 Silvertonguedtommy Cruise G 122 LA
6 Sweet Emma Rose Rosario J 119 L
7 Take Time to Pray Castillo O O 122 LA
8 Knit One Purr Too Garcia Luis 119 LA



6th (1:50) Chick Lang S.

6 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $100,000

1 Tour Guide Smith M E 116 L
2 Zee Bros Garcia M 116 LA
3 Bobcat Jim Albarado R J 116 LA
4 Res Judicata Bisono J 118 L
5 Perilous Indian Boyce F 116 LA
6 Brave Dave Velazquez J R 122 L
7 City of Weston Castellano J J 118 L
8 Clawback Napravnik R 118 LA
9 Undrafted Rosario J 116 L



7th (2:33) James W. Murphy S.

1 Mile (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $100,000

1 Notacatbutallama Velazquez J R 120 LA
2 Red Wings Stevens G L 116 L
3 Wry Me Rose J 116 LA
4 Heat Press Prado E S 116 L
5 Honour the Vow Acosta J D 116 LA
6 Shining Copper Castellano J J 116
7 Yougotthatgoinforu Flores E 116 LA
8 Special Skills No Rider 116 L
9 China Holiday Serpa A 116 L
10 Redwood Kitten Rosario J 116 L
11 English Minister Garcia G 116 LA



8th (3:14) Allaire DuPont Distaff S. (G3)

1 1/16 Miles | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $150,000

1 Access to Charlie Pimentel J 118 L
2 Withgreatpleasure No Rider 124 LA
3 Moon Philly Rose J 118 LA
4 Daydreamin Gracie Cruise G 118 LA
5 Sea Island Castellano J J 118 L
6 Summer Applause Velazquez J R 124 L
7 Brushed by a Star Rosario J 118 LA



9th (4:00) Gallorette H. (G3)

1 1/16 Miles (Turf) | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $150,000

1 Hard Not to Like Velazquez J R 118 L
2 Daydreamin Gracie Cruise G 114 LA
3 Pianist Smith M E 115 L
4 Samitar (GB) Castellano J J 122 L
5 Old Tune (BRZ) Rosario J 122 LA
6 Embarr Boyce F 116 L
7 Charged Cotton Garcia Alan 113 LA
8 Idle Talk Karamanos H A 112 LA
9 Silver Screamer No Rider 117 L
10 Appealing Cat Prado E S 114 LA



10th (4:42) Maryland Sprint H. (G3)

6 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $150,000

1 Action Andy Karamanos H A 116 LA
2 Broad Rule Boyce F 115 LA
3 Manito Ortiz Y O 110 LA
4 Hardened Wildcat Castellano J J 114 L
5 Immortal Eyes Russell S 114 L
6 Poseidon's Warrior Bisono J 121 L
7 Candyman E Bravo J 115 L
8 Laurie's Rocket Rosario J 113 L
9 Warrioroftheroses Dunkelberger T L 109 L
10 Sage Valley Velazquez J R 114 LA



11th (5:25) Dixie S. (G2)

1 1/8 Miles (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $300,000

1 Willcox Inn Graham J 118 LA
2 Optimizer Rosario J 122 L
3 Utley Prado E S 118 L
4 Imagining Castellano J J 118 L
5 Doubles Partner Leparoux J R 118 LA
6 Thunder Lord Marquez C H Jr 118 LA
7 Howe Great Garcia Alan 118 LA
8 See Tobe Pimentel J 118 LA
9 Swift Warrior Napravnik R 124 L
10 Skyring Stevens G L 118 L
11 Humble and Hungry Smith M E 118 LA
12 Two Months Rent Serpa A 118 LA
13 Forte Dei Marmi (GB) Velazquez J R 118 L



12th (6:20) Preakness S. (G1)

1 3/16 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $1,000,000

1 Orb Rosario J 126 L
2 Goldencents Krigger K 126 LA
3 Titletown Five Leparoux J R 126 L
4 Departing Hernandez B J Jr 126 L
5 Mylute Napravnik R 126 LA
6 Oxbow Stevens G L 126 L
7 Will Take Charge Smith M E 126 L
8 Govenor Charlie Garcia M 126 LA
9 Itsmyluckyday Velazquez J R 126 L
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Old 05-15-2013, 08:20 PM
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Nice Dixie.
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less than half the derby field size with only 9 in the preakness.

what's the average number of starters for this race? seems lower than usual-and i'm not complaining! just curious.
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Old 05-15-2013, 09:14 PM
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less than half the derby field size with only 9 in the preakness.

what's the average number of starters for this race? seems lower than usual-and i'm not complaining! just curious.
That's not going to be statistically significant, as field size has changed so much in the Triple Crown races over the past few decades. The average size of a Kentucky Derby field is just over 12, and fat chance we'll ever see a Kentucky Derby with just 12 or 13 starters again.

I'm not sure what the average number over the past 15 years is, which might give a better picture. And I'm too lazy to google.
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less than half the derby field size with only 9 in the preakness.

what's the average number of starters for this race? seems lower than usual-and i'm not complaining! just curious.
This will be the 4th time since 2000 the Preakness has had fewer than 10 runners.
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Old 05-16-2013, 12:49 AM
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I noticed that Race 13 is a pretty weak field for an allowance race except for Code West and Bluegrass Springs.

http://www.brisnet.com/php/bw_pdf_viewer.php?track=PIM&race=13&date=2013-05-18

If you feel strong about any horse in the Preakness, maybe a double singling one horse in the Preakness and Code West in Race 13 isn't such a bad idea.
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Old 05-16-2013, 05:54 AM
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Preakness Tidbit:

Tabasco Cat (1994) only Preakness winner from the rail since 1961.
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Old 05-16-2013, 06:35 AM
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I noticed that Race 13 is a pretty weak field for an allowance race except for Code West and Bluegrass Springs.

http://www.brisnet.com/php/bw_pdf_viewer.php?track=PIM&race=13&date=2013-05-18

If you feel strong about any horse in the Preakness, maybe a double singling one horse in the Preakness and Code West in Race 13 isn't such a bad idea.
He must be doing the under-card tour of the Triple Crown.
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Old 05-16-2013, 07:11 AM
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This will be the 4th time since 2000 the Preakness has had fewer than 10 runners.
thanks.
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Old 05-16-2013, 08:46 PM
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I noticed that Race 13 is a pretty weak field for an allowance race except for Code West and Bluegrass Springs.

http://www.brisnet.com/php/bw_pdf_viewer.php?track=PIM&race=13&date=2013-05-18

If you feel strong about any horse in the Preakness, maybe a double singling one horse in the Preakness and Code West in Race 13 isn't such a bad idea.
I donít trust this horse at all. I needed him for a giant pick 3 Derby day, multiple times!!! I successfully crushed the all button in the previous race and the race before loved Mcpeek as the big class horse, all he had to do was take to turf, and he did. Code West looked like a total standout that day. He does again Saturday vs an even worst field. Lower price, likely 1-5. No Thanks.
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Old 05-17-2013, 06:43 AM
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I donít trust this horse at all. I needed him for a giant pick 3 Derby day, multiple times!!! I successfully crushed the all button in the previous race and the race before loved Mcpeek as the big class horse, all he had to do was take to turf, and he did. Code West looked like a total standout that day. He does again Saturday vs an even worst field. Lower price, likely 1-5. No Thanks.
plus 1 slop or not code west should have toyed with that field
hideous performance
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I donít trust this horse at all. I needed him for a giant pick 3 Derby day, multiple times!!! I successfully crushed the all button in the previous race and the race before loved Mcpeek as the big class horse, all he had to do was take to turf, and he did. Code West looked like a total standout that day. He does again Saturday vs an even worst field. Lower price, likely 1-5. No Thanks.
You successfully crushed the all button? Oy vey.

I realize you wouldn't even know what to look for if you tried, but Code West had like 5 lengths worth of trouble and was hampered by a sh.it ride by Bejarano, who decided to take back in a race where no one went. Who in this field can beat him? I don't like eating chalk at all, but there are times to try and beat the favorites, when you have viable alternatives and there are times not to. This is a time not to.

Unless you're going to crush the all button again.
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You successfully crushed the all button? Oy vey.

I realize you wouldn't even know what to look for if you tried, but Code West had like 5 lengths worth of trouble and was hampered by a sh.it ride by Bejarano, who decided to take back in a race where no one went. Who in this field can beat him? I don't like eating chalk at all, but there are times to try and beat the favorites, when you have viable alternatives and there are times not to. This is a time not to.

Unless you're going to crush the all button again.
Its just strange to me Baffert is shipping this horse around to run in NW1x races when he could easily win these events at home for the same money. Something just doesn't seem right, but yea on paper he should win.
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Its just strange to me Baffert is shipping this horse around to run in NW1x races when he could easily win these events at home for the same money. Something just doesn't seem right, but yea on paper he should win.
Who in there can beat him though? The only horse I could even consider is Crown Polis as McMahon is a pretty good move up trainer.

I can't believe I am trumpeting the merits of a 1/5 shot on paper, but I'm just trying to figure out who the alternative is. Aren't there much better races to try and best the favorite this weekend?
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Old 05-17-2013, 09:52 AM
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Who in there can beat him though? The only horse I could even consider is Crown Polis as McMahon is a pretty good move up trainer.

I can't believe I am trumpeting the merits of a 1/5 shot on paper, but I'm just trying to figure out who the alternative is. Aren't there much better races to try and best the favorite this weekend?
Exactly. He almost has to fall down to lose.

Crown Polis is the only logical alternative, but he has been through the Ziadie and Vazquez machines and will now have to duplicate a career best effort in just 3 weeks? Not for me.
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$1 DD will pays
ORB--------------------2
GOLDENCENTS--------24
TITLETOWN FIVE-----172
DEPARTING------------27
MYLUTE----------------37
OXBOW----------------50
WILL TAKE CHARGE--30
GOVENOR CHARLIE---30
ITSMYLUCKYDAY------22
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ORB--------------------2
GOLDENCENTS--------24
TITLETOWN FIVE-----172
DEPARTING------------27
MYLUTE----------------37
OXBOW----------------50
WILL TAKE CHARGE--30
GOVENOR CHARLIE---30
ITSMYLUCKYDAY------22
Even money on Orb! Those bettors are getting less than 1-2 on Orb.

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Even money on Orb! Those bettors are getting less than 1-2 on Orb.

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Yep. Almost 700k in the pool. The best case scenario for the DD is $2.80 for a buck. The winner of the Special paid $3.20. $10 to win in the first leg gives you $16 to put on Orb so a parlay at 1/2 pays $24.
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You successfully crushed the all button? Oy vey.

I realize you wouldn't even know what to look for if you tried, but Code West had like 5 lengths worth of trouble and was hampered by a sh.it ride by Bejarano, who decided to take back in a race where no one went. Who in this field can beat him? I don't like eating chalk at all, but there are times to try and beat the favorites, when you have viable alternatives and there are times not to. This is a time not to.

Unless you're going to crush the all button again.
You cant help yourself bro. Thats clear to everyone, not just me.
It was 2 weeks ago. But my main ticket was Antigun/all/West for $5. It cost around 60-70. The pick 3 was around 600$. I also had maybe another $1.50 worth of backups. This horse sucks. He broke slow, his speed was zapped. You crush him tomorrow. Even if he wins, who cares??? The great Dahossy now plays 1-5 shots?
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Exactly. He almost has to fall down to lose.

Crown Polis is the only logical alternative, but he has been through the Ziadie and Vazquez machines and will now have to duplicate a career best effort in just 3 weeks? Not for me.
You to touting a 1-5 shot? Whats happening to you? I notice a lot of chalk in your picks on Togas website. You never used to cap that way.
Nice call on Denver in the first round also. You came in all smug, told me how good they were. Never said another word about it? Good luck tomorrow.
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