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Old 12-01-2008, 05:23 AM
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Here are the winning Beyer Speed Figures from last week's stakes races:

*Fall Highweight (Aqu): Fabulous Strike (T. Beattie/R. Dominguez) - 113

*Hill 'N' Dale Cigar Mile (Aqu): Tale of Ekati (B. Tagg/E. Prado) - 106 (*Harlem Rocker dq'd from first and placed second
*Hollywood Turf Express (Hol): California Flag (B. Koriner/J. Talamo) - 105
*Tenacious (FG): Secret Getaway (M. Stidham/J. Graham) - 102
*War Chant (Hol): Slew's Tiznow (D. O'Neill/R. Bejarano) - 102
*Clark (CD): Einstein - Brz (H. Pitts/J. Leparoux) - 101
*Thanksgiving (FG): Sok Sok (S. Asmussen/B. Hernandez Jr.) - 101
*Hollywood Derby (Hol): Court Vision (W. Mott/R. Dominguez) - 100
*Citation (Hol): Hyperbaric (J. Canani/T. Baze) - 100
*Remsen (Aqu): Old Fashioned (J. Jones/R. Dominguez) - 100

*Golden Rod (CD): Rachel Alexandra (H. Wiggins/C. Borel) - 99
*Playa del Rey (Hol): Bsharpsonata (T. Pletcher/G. Gomez) - 98
*Buddy Diliberto Memorial (FG): Classic Campaign (W. Mott/B. Hernandez Jr.) - 97
*Top Flight (Aqu): Leah's Secret (T. Pletcher/E. Coa) - 97
*Matriarch (Hol): Cocoa Beach - Chi (S. bin Suroor/R. Dominguez) - 96
*Cornucopia (Pha): Cammy's Choice (E. Lehman/R. Alvarado Jr.) - 94
*Star de Lady Anne (Aqu): A Rose for You (M. Trombetta/E. Coa) - 90
*Kentucky Jockey Club (CD): Beethoven (J. Ward Jr./C. Borel) - 90
*West Virginia Futurity (CT): Russell Road (J. Casey/L. Perez) - 90

*Generous (Hol): Mr. Rod (D. Hendricks/C. Sutherland) - 89
*Holiday Inaugural (TP): Afleet Angel (P. Bacon/W. Martinez) - 88
*Love Affair (Aqu): Justwhistledixie (K. McLaughlin/A. Garcia) - 88
*Shopping for Love (Aqu): Love Cove (T. Albertrani/R. Dominguez) - 88
*Falls City (CD): Miss Isella (I. Wilkes/C. Borel) - 88
*Demoiselle (Aqu): Springside (J. Carroll/G. Gomez) - 88
*Kamikaze Rick (Aqu): Weathered (K. Grusmark/M. Luzzi) - 88
*Arizona Breeders' Futurity (fillies div.) (TuP): Carlsbad (K. Lewis/D. Vergara) - 87
*Caressing (CD): War Tigress (J. Thornbury/J. Garcia) - 87
*Squan Song (Hol): Now It Begins (M. Trombetta/C. Forrest) - 86
*Forty Niner (GG): Dakota Phone (J. Hollendorfer/F. Alvarado) - 85
*Zia Park Distaff (Zia): Sassy Blend (B. Woolley Jr./A. Juarez Jr.) - 84
*Arizona Breeders' Futurity (colts div.) (TuP): Clean Hit (R. Owens/G. Corbett) - 80
*Miesque (Hol): Habaya (K. McLaughlin/R. Migliore) - 80

*Live Oak GTOBA Debutante (Crc): Oilgonewile (J. Calascibetta/W. Henry) - 79
*Montauk (Aqu): Here Comes Rita (J. Morrison/P. Fragoso) - 77
*Grand Canyon (CD): Proceed Bee (T. Gestes/M. Mena) - 76
*Kingarvie (WO): Parabola (B. Minshall/J. Stein) - 72

*Ontario Lassie (WO): Milwaukee Appeal (S. Fairlie/N. Somsanith) - 66
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Old 12-01-2008, 05:36 AM
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Churchill's Stars of Tomorrow BSF's:

ALW-1m (f): Emma Darling 69
MSW-8.5f (f): Satin Thunder 71
ALW-6f: Silver City 101
MSW-7f: Pressure Point 82
Grand Canyon-8.5f/T: Proceed Bee 76
ALW-6.5f (f): She's Extreme 82
MSW-7f (f): Heart Ashley 76
ALW-1m: Gresham/Flying Private 71
Golden Rod-8.5f (f): Rachel Alexandra 99
Carressing-1m/T (f): War Tigress 87
KY JC-8.5f: Beethoven 90
MSW-9f: Au Moon 75
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Old 12-01-2008, 08:35 AM
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Court Vision: 100

Cocoa Beach: 96
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Old 12-01-2008, 09:09 AM
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so are this years 2yo's already better than this years 3yo's? looks so by some of those beyer #'s!!
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Old 12-01-2008, 09:12 AM
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I have a hard time believing Heart Ashley regressed a point off her maiden win.
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Old 12-01-2008, 09:51 AM
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FALL HIGHWEIGHT: FABULOUS STRIKE: 113

LRL OC 50k/N$Y: ETERNAL STAR: 109
HILL 'N' DALE CIGAR MILE H. (G1): TALE OF EKATI/HARLEM ROCKER: 106
HOLLYWOOD TURF EXPRESS H. (G3): CALIFORNIA FLAG: 105
TENACIOUS: SECRET GETAWAY: 102
WAR CHANT: SLEW'S TIZNOW 102
AQU MSW: QUALITY ROAD: 101
CD ALW: SILVER CITY 101
CLARK HANDICAP (G2): EINSTEIN: 101
REMSEN S. (G2): OLD FASHIONED: 100
CITATION H. (G1): HYPERBARIC: 100

GOLDEN ROD S. (G2): RACHEL ALEXANDRA: 99
PLAYA DEL REY: BSHARPSONATA 98
TOP FLIGHT H. (G2): LEAH'S SECRET: 97
KENTUCKY JOCKEY CLUB S. (G2): BEETHOVEN: 90

GENEROUS S. (G3): MR. ROD: 89
FALLS CITY H. (G2): MISS ISELLA: 88
DEMOISELLE S. (G2): SPRINGSIDE: 88
CARRESSING: WAR TIGRESS 87
MIESQUE S. (G3): HABAYA: 80

GRAND CANYON: PROCEED BEE 76

HOLLYWOOD DERBY (G1): COURT VISION: TBD
MATRIARCH (G1): COCOA BEACH: TBD
2 year olds with 3 digit Beyer's let the Derby Watch begin!!!!
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Old 12-01-2008, 10:19 AM
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I have a hard time believing Heart Ashley regressed a point off her maiden win.
She finished 2nd in her debut with a 75 beyer, i think they just 'paired her up'.

Ran a 6 Thoro in that debut.
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Old 12-01-2008, 10:20 AM
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so are this years 2yo's already better than this years 3yo's? looks so by some of those beyer #'s!!
They are absolutely better than this year's 3yo crop was at this point last year, not even debatable.
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Old 12-01-2008, 10:23 AM
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I think they adjusted phil. Ive got her at 77 first start, 76 second, and that just seems tough to me. I cannot imagine her regressin and the track was pretty dead on Saturday at CHD. I thought she would surely move forward.
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Old 12-01-2008, 10:27 AM
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They are absolutely better than this year's 3yo crop was at this point last year, not even debatable.
Phil

Am I hallucinating or did Ramon die and go to jock heaven over the weekend with Old Fashion, Court Vision and Cocoa Beach in a 24 hour period on two coasts?

Wonder how long Ramon keeps that mount on OF on the derby trail....

Sorry about WB as I know he was a fav of yours.....
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I think they adjusted phil. Ive got her at 77 first start, 76 second, and that just seems tough to me. I cannot imagine her regressin and the track was pretty dead on Saturday at CHD. I thought she would surely move forward.
Agree- and she looked awfully good doing it. It was a pretty bad group though relative to the rest of the card.
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Old 12-01-2008, 11:04 AM
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Agree- and she looked awfully good doing it. It was a pretty bad group though relative to the rest of the card.
It was an awful group.
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I knew Vol would come chimming in after he got blown out of the water on a 5000.00 exacta. Hes been sour at the world since last weekend.

That being said how does she show regression?
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Cocoa Beach: 96

man, this years group of older fillies.......not so good. They are slow on any surface
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How bad are our horses when the Cigar is won with a 106 and the Clark with a 101? Are they really barely better the 2yo's that won the Remsen and the Golden Rod? Things are even worse than I thought.
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How bad are our horses when the Cigar is won with a 106 and the Clark with a 101? Are they really barely better the 2yo's that won the Remsen and the Golden Rod? Things are even worse than I thought.
well how about the Matriarch, the defining race of the year at a mile for grass fillies, won by a horse who's only loss is to Zenyatta, and the best they could muster was a 96!
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well how about the Matriarch, the defining race of the year at a mile for grass fillies, won by a horse who's only loss is to Zenyatta, and the best they could muster was a 96!
Yeah, that was not great but it was a turf race and turf numbers have always been pretty meaningless to me.
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Yeah, that was not great but it was a turf race and turf numbers have always been pretty meaningless to me.
I think you can throw synthetic racing in as well.
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