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Those who are comparing this election the Reagan/Carter are making a big mistake.
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Whether you like Obama or not...
if the unemployment numbers improve this Friday then you have a pretty damn impressive week for the President. Chrysler did well. Housing is actually improving. Shocking but the numbers show promise. Romney is offering a whole lot of nothing. He's extremely unlikeable. |
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Wow.
* * * Hey Bigs remember how I said I wasn't gonna come down here... * * * I want to point out one teensy thing. Aside from the fact that he shouldn't be an issue here Mr.Bush has taken the high road and kept his mouth shut for four years out of respect for the office. He didn't go to the 2008 convention (wasn't he with Hurricane Gustav victims?) and who know...maybe figured all the way around it's better for him to stay far far away. Or was he still in Africa? Was that July or August... you know, that third trip? It didn't get a lot of press of course but that's not why he went so there you go. Okay I am done. (Go, Pointman!). Oh and for the record if my living room table were running against Obama I'd vote for it. I'm not voting for Romney... I'm voting for the chance / probability that anyone else will do better and if it means putting my opinion on social issues aside (because really the platform doesn't mean much. Carter was pro life, wasn't he?* It's not like abortion will become illegal etc) for the sake of the economy so be it. * My point being so what... nothing will change. Last edited by my miss storm cat : 09-04-2012 at 10:44 PM. Reason: wanted to make clear I am pro choice and it sounded like the opposite! |
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Mmsc, what is it that you think romney will do that will improve things?
As for the social issues, altho not perhaps monetarily important, those have a huge impact on peoples lives. And i do think there has been erosion of womens rights, and that it shouldnt continue. I keep seeing and hearing, from many here and elsewhere, that romney will 'be better'. But not once have i been told how that will be accomplished. What stance has romney taken that is opposite to current policy that will give us this change for the better? And what makes you think his changes will occur? |
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Actually Mitt has been quite specific on the issues have a look. You may not like when his plans are - but you can't say he hasn't spelled them out and shown how they are different than Obama's. http://www.mittromney.com/issues Here's just one Energy Significant Regulatory Reform The first step will be a rational and streamlined approach to regulation, which would facilitate rapid progress in the development of our domestic reserves of oil and natural gas and allow for further investment in nuclear power. Establish fixed timetables for all resource development approvals Create one-stop shop to streamline permitting process for approval of common activities Implement fast-track procedures for companies with established safety records to conduct pre-approved activities in pre-approved areas Ensure that environmental laws properly account for cost in regulatory process Amend Clean Air Act to exclude carbon dioxide from its purview Expand NRC capabilities for approval of additional nuclear reactor designs Streamline NRC processes to ensure that licensing decisions for reactors on or adjacent to approved sites, using approved designs, are complete within two years Increasing Production The United States is blessed with a cornucopia of carbon-based energy resources. Developing them has been a pathway to prosperity for the nation in the past and offers similar promise for the future. Conduct comprehensive survey of America’s energy reserves Open America’s energy reserves for development Expand opportunities for U.S. resource developers to forge partnerships with neighboring countries Support construction of pipelines to bring Canadian oil to the United States Prevent overregulation of shale gas development and extraction Research and Development Government has a role to play in innovation in the energy industry. History shows that the United States has moved forward in astonishing ways thanks to national investment in basic research and advanced technology. However, we should not be in the business of steering investment toward particular politically favored approaches. That is a recipe for both time and money wasted on projects that do not bring us dividends. The failure of windmills and solar plants to become economically viable or make a significant contribution to our energy supply is a prime example. Concentrate alternative energy funding on basic research Utilize long-term, apolitical funding mechanisms like ARPA-E for basic research
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oh and thanks for working and paying your fair share
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Mitt just took that prediction and claimed it for his own - which I find hilarious. So don't worry - those jobs will appear without Mittens being elected. I have to mention there is an American Jobs Act sitting there waiting to be passed, that will create several million immediate lower and middle-class jobs (construction, etc), sitting there after being blocked by House Republicans for some long months now - might be a year. Again, if the Republican Party hadn't chosen to try and destroy this president via total obstruction so they can regain power, if they had done the usual small things required by a government, unemployment would be about 6% right now. You can see the effects of the Republican policy of "austerity and budget cuts" on Europe. America is far better off and more stable having followed mild stimulative economic policies. People scream about the deficit, but if you get the economy going, taxes increased, that is gone very quickly. Obama has cut the size if the federal government, decreased the deficit, and even decreased the debt slightly. And the ACA, health care costs which drive nearly 1/5 of our economy, makes marked increases in decreasing that economic expense (yes, the ACA importance is that of an economic policy, too) - aside from making Medicare more efficient, lasting 10 years longer. Quote:
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I dont believe Bush has been president for the past 4 disasterous years... this dude Big O has been the president. What a coincidence that Nancy Pelosi was in charge of Congress for those last 2 disasterous years of the Bush Presidency... followed by four years of Obama disaster. This is a bipartisan recession/depression. It includes republicans, democrats, the rich wall street folks, and the American people who spent way beyond their means and allowed themselves to be duped by the wall street folks and the government. We all helped cause this.
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I love the dems disingenuous claim of 4.5 million jobs created in the past 4 years.
Well, yes, you cannot say its a lie, because there have been 4.5 million jobs created. Just happens that 4.2 million jobs were also lost. There has been a net gain of 300,000 jobs... aka 0.1% of the American population. Way to be dishonest and not lie at the same time. I believe that is what Democrats do best.
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Footnote - total losses significantly exceeded total winnings... |
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So denigrating all those jobs created to replace the ones Bush lost is beyond ridiculous. Every single one of those jobs was needed, and yeah, we're 300,000 ahead at this point. Yes, we need more. You expected a Republican president to create more jobs? Seriously? The party that won't do any job help at all, and fires public workers? And you might note the majority of those jobs created were private sector jobs, because the Republican Governors were laying off public sector workers left and right, for an overall net LOSS. Saying everything below the horizontal line of zero - fighting back to zero baseline via job creation - was useless and of no importance and deserves zero credit is false and ridiculous. Of course the Dems get credit for creating those jobs.
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Nice try, but way off on the analogy attempt.
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What else should we expect from an Administration that attempts to claim that unemployment is vastly lower than it actually is (which is still vastly higher than the rate that Obama promised when he shoved his stimulis through a partisan Congress) by refusing to count those people who have run the course of their unemployment benefits and have given up hope looking for work? I can't wait to hear the Democrat spin on the highest ever amount of American's now on food stamps. The 76 billion spent on food stamps last year is more than double what was spent on the program when Obama took office. This administration outright lies to the American people and morons like Riot and Big Run fall for it hook, line and sinker. This is a party whose 2016 frontrunner caught on the spot on Sunday honestly answered no to the question "are American's better off today than 4 years ago" only to backpeddal the next day after the Obama's handlers got his hands on him and now claims we are better off. It is the party of lies that only the truly stupid believe. |
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yeah, gotcha. read it first thing this a.m. and romney may have some good ideas. but i've keyed on a couple of things, and no one has replied yet with their opinions on those issues: banking regs, tax cuts for the wealthy, and defense spending. the first is what got us into the mess we've been in, and europe has been in, for the last however many years. rich paying less now than in the last 80 years. defense already huge budget-wise. how can someone (ostensibly for small govt _ ) say raise spending and lower taxes, and try to convince people that will help our situation? |
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By the way, Bush did not create the recession, Democrats did. It started with Clinton forcing Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to make riskier and riskier loans which Barney Frank made even worse during Bush's term. Bush is at fault for not stopping the Democrats from forcing banks to give loans to people who could never afford them. |
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No it is not, you are not including the loss in public sector jobs. Stop your consistent lying and attempts to manipulate the statistics in a direction positive for Obama.
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