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Mage at 2-1?!
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Probably just a coincidence and I know he got the trip but National Treasure back in Baffert’s barn and he wins the Preakness. He also dug in and showed that patented Baffert re break.
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Honestly, I laid it all out there and still feel a little gross about Baffert winning.
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I had Blazing Seven’s on top today and it hurt seeing him not get up. A lot. Thought he had it.
However, whatever you think about Bob, there is almost zero chance National Treasure was juiced today. The absurdity at even the thought of bringing a horse less than 100% clean to his first Triple Crown race in two years is something even Bob’s pomposity couldn’t possibly fathom. A bad test for NT ends Bob. He knows that. There is no way that horse was juiced today. The 49.5 half mile split allowed the re break. In this case it was just the trip. NT tripped out. From a handicapping standpoint Mage is the bet back out of this race, no? Wish they would have moved early with Mage. Thought they would take that chance knowing how slow they’d go as opposed to waiting. |
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Who said he was juiced?
I was told on this website that it was in my head when I opined that the horses that switched to Yakteen did not perform as well as they did in Baffert’s barn. They did not progress like a Baffert usually does. Hard to argue with the results. |
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Is 98 higher or lower than 95?
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You previously selected Doppelganger as some sort of proof that what I was saying was wrong because he won a grade 1. Well….National Treasure just won the Preakness so….
And Doppelgänger is an even better example of what I’m talking about. Look at his numbers with Baffert, then Yakteen and now with Brittany “28% for the year” Russell. He’s run better for Baffert and Russell. Why is that? This isn’t a slight on Yakteen. He’s a very good horseman. Baffert and Brittany must have better dentists. |
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I know nothing I suggest will convince you that Baffert, and I guess Russell too, aren't taking edges.
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Yes, I fully understand horses mature. Which is why I found it so odd you didn’t think it was strange that the Baffert horses who had moved to Yakteen were not maturing like Baffert runners normally do. |
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Not the same horse, Steve. Rollo dealt with National Disaster. To Baffert's credit, he made an equipment change and likely changed something in his training. Perhaps he read Rollo's post or, as the greatest dirt trainer in history, realized that if NT was going to be anything, he needed to improve. It's hardly impossible Baffert uses an untested supplement etc., that makes horses faster and or uses therapeutic drugs that are more efficacious. Nobody is saying he "Ness'd" the horse.
This is a private forum. Most of us have been here for years and years. It's not Twitter. Nobody will be fired or suspended from their job for pointing out the bad stuff in the sport. Drugs have always been in the sport. Some trainers and vets use them more aggressively than others. When we see it, we should know it. |
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